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    Default Is joining the Military safe?

    I question the political part now, given Obama won the election. Is our military going to be downgraded in strength, equipment and spending? Is it safe to join, and make a career out of it. Are we getting out of Afghanistan, and if we are I am happy about it. But if I join the Army, and I wanted to make a career out of Infantry. I would not want to go to Afghanistan, period. My opinion is that our guys are dying too much, our special forces were not and still are not used correctly there. And our boys could be doing something more constructive like being home with their families instead of being there with the enemies families. There are more dangerous threats around the world than fucking Afghanistan Taliban. And our Special Forces, just watching them recently... 5 videos of their involvement "Green Berets"... they have absolutely no fight every day. Instead, they get spied on all day and night. Waiting for an ied, does that sound like a strategic way of using our ELITE SOLDIERS?!?!?!?!

    I am or 'was' encouraged to join the Army, and make it a long life career. If I had the scores, and success I would attempt to try out the big boys 'Rangers'. And if that went well, then I'd try and do my best to improve my service to what potential may lay ahead. Now, feeling like if I wanted to join... they'd just put me in the position of dying without the ability to fight. Now we cant start fights because we're under the Geneva Convention, and not 'declared' war with Afghanistan. This is Operation Enduring Freedom, not an official war. But a political war, for what reason I do not know. It is the same thing Russia did in the 70's but worse, we can't leave. We're not economically stable to get out, and it will rupture our money and tax payer's dollars. When our military boys come back, they wont have jobs to come back to in the first place. They'll have no idea what is going on, and they'll feel like they're fighting for absolutely nothing. In the end we wont have the money to support the operations going on, and our soldiers wont have enough resources to fight back.

    So, does there seem like any other chance of stationing in better places. Or is there a reserve for people who want to go into the Rangers or what ever to protect the homeland. If I wanted to be in the Army and the USA was attacked internally by a strong force, is there a way to not be deployed to some pointless country? If so, I would really make it my life goal. I have absolutely nothing to lose, but much more to gain.

    If anything I have said is offensive, I am sure veterans on here know more and have become emotionally attached to the war going on. I haven't got the chance to experience such a shit thing, but I also don't want to. I want to join the Military to protect the homeland, not some smelly ass ex-taliban's family. Those people can't like us because their government is an unstoppable and relentless force. I won't have anything else to input but 'sorry', I wish it was dealt with more carefully. But I want to join the Military and prepare a future for the dangers that lay ahead on our very own land. Or for our comrades in Canada or the UK, France, Australia, Germany... not in the middle east and certainly not in some jungle near Vietnam.

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    Sounds like you're too opinionated to join. You don't join to agree or disagree. You join to SERVE others. I don't agree with Assramistan and protecting ragheads either, but I wouldn't quit if they sent me to Afghanistan tomorrow just because I don't believe in the mission. Real soldiers don't worry about political bullshit and the outcome of a bunch of civilians that are apathetic towards their existence in the first place. They do the best they can in whatever situation, they close with and destroy those who threaten their lives on the ground and they look out for their brothers wearing the same uniform as them.

    After reading your post, I'm thinking it's better for you to continue on your civilian track, Fibbles. Please, for my sake, and other commanders and senior NCO's out there, please, don't join. Your commentary is dangerously in line with IAVA, Veterans for Peace, ReThink Afghanistan and other war-hating, war-resister movements.

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    Troll thread?






    Join the Coast Guard.
    Judging by your post, I do not think you are built for the rest of the Services.

    Most likely with that mindset, you'll be hit with an "Failure to Adjust/Adapt" and be out on your ass...or worse.


    No offense.



    The Military is not a game. You are not afforded the same cutesie rights you had as a civilian and you can die anywhere CONUS, OCONUS, and remotes.
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    Want to join the Rangers, but don't want to experience war?

    Go back to your X-Box and play.
    "When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away." -Unknown

    Exercise your right to keep and bear arms!

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    Rather strange question. You wanna join the army, the main institution created for war, but afraid to go there?

    And on a second note, is it safe to join US military or you can make a career there?

    Well... That's probably the best military to make a career i would say. If you consider both experience and funds.

    The are less money going there now, but it blows anything out of the water on this planet.
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    Please do not join! If someone, a recruiter, tells you he wants you to join he is simply filling his years/months numbers. You have no place in the military, and will most likely hate it quite quickly. I wouldn't even recommend the coast guard for you, you could fall off the boat and drown.

    Again, please do not join!
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    Fribbles, i will try to explain.

    You never serve for your country, you serve your country. Army is an instrument to achieve global or local political/economical goals, protect integrity of the country, expand international influence and prevent other countries doing the same to you.

    It's like a resource - oil, gold, diamonds or any other.

    You can't just say i will do that or this, it's not fucking a whore.

    You signed for it, be ready to do as they say.
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    "Go play your fucking X-Box", "You could fall off a boat and drown", "Afraid to go to war". Each of these comments, ones who illustrated them I am sure would get naked and jump in acid if they were told to. I see the crowd I am asking is overwhelmingly hostile, so I'll go some other place to ask.

    The question was if you could do the training, possibly airborne or ranger school and then switch to reserves in-case of a national emergency be called to infantry. Why would I do that??? In case of weather catastrophes, internal affairs. Things that don't have to do with Afghanistan and Iraq I would prefer to join for. Sure I know whatever kind of person who has been in the Army would think I have no word. But I am not in the Army, I can still direct my path a little better from this perspective. It is likely you wont station anywhere but Iraq and Afghanistan. I have cousins who've been injured severely, and I don't want to throw away my family name because I was trying to help some Afghanistan and Iraqi's.

    If people here don't find that reasonable, then I wont be visiting this website again.

    But I wanted to mention, people training hard and going through all of the toughest things and then suddenly all of those assets thrown out the door. I can't tell you how irritating that makes me feel, who the fuck here wants to see that keep happening?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickDonalds View Post
    Sounds like you're too opinionated to join. You don't join to agree or disagree. You join to SERVE others. I don't agree with Assramistan and protecting ragheads either, but I wouldn't quit if they sent me to Afghanistan tomorrow just because I don't believe in the mission. Real soldiers don't worry about political bullshit and the outcome of a bunch of civilians that are apathetic towards their existence in the first place. They do the best they can in whatever situation, they close with and destroy those who threaten their lives on the ground and they look out for their brothers wearing the same uniform as them.

    After reading your post, I'm thinking it's better for you to continue on your civilian track, Fibbles. Please, for my sake, and other commanders and senior NCO's out there, please, don't join. Your commentary is dangerously in line with IAVA, Veterans for Peace, ReThink Afghanistan and other war-hating, war-resister movements.

    I understand your opinion much greater than others, and I acknowledge that once I were in the military its not a democracy. Choices are usually offered down instead of asked for. I though since I am not enlisted, can still find a way to get around Afghanistan with greater odds. I have the ability to say, Reserves or Active Duty. If I were told I was going to Afghanistan, I'd pack my suit cases and get things ready and be on my way. I don't want to go fight there though, just like everyone else who keeps seeing people leave there with limbs missing and buddies dead. I want to try my ass off until I get specialized training, and make it into something that I will benefit most from. And then going into reserves so my service can be used whenever we need it in a different place... even if I did go active duty. I would make the best out of it, though I simply don't want to make waste of all of the time spent learning.
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    Those comments all came from Veterans or members who are still currently serving in the military. Your question is not applicable to todays military. I am national guard, and you can get ranger training in the guard, and I have so far done one tour in Iraq, and have another possible deployment in the foreseeable future. If you join the military, you should expect to deploy to Iraq, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Africa, general middle east, etc. If you go into the rangers/SF community you WILL deploy to a hostile nation some where in the world.


    I am pretty sure that most here can talk about a brother they lost in Iraq or Afghanistan. We all know the costs of joining the military, and as Sixx said, it isn't a game. You don't get choices, you don't have opinions, you go where you are told and do your job no matter what it is. Not to mention if you join with those attitudes it is detrimental to the stability of a unit and puts other soldiers at risk. I know plent of guys who didn't want to be there, because they disagreed with this and that. They get complacent, forgetful, it COSTS LIVES.
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    thanks for the straight up answer, I'll keep that in mind. I don't know enough about each part of the Armed Forces to say Army, Marines, National Guard... whatever I can however say I know what I want to do. And its probably not really possible in the first place, but from the approach I made. There are some easier ways of getting the training I want, and keeping it wrapped away in case of the worst situations possible. I am an optimist if I am able to think ahead, if I wing things... I do whatever there is to be done. I don't know what we do in other countries other than providing services for minerals and resources. That has been the American way back to when we founded Hawaii and technically before we were constitutionalized. Anyways, that is all I am going to mention. At least I don't want to go to go directly to Afghanistan or Iraq, and I am not naive enough for it either. I am doing the best thing I can do if I wanted to join the Armed Forces for any reason... thinking ahead.

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    I didn't read all of the OP's post because I stopped reading after the second sentence. While the President is the commander in chief of the armed forces he does not control the cash. That is congresses domain. So if you sign up and don't get issued boot laces don't blame the prez, blame congress.

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    MrFibbles, you do not go into the Rangers,Seals,Marine Recon, Delta Force,Green Berets for that matter any special ops. without looking for action. These boys are the best at what they do and that is making tough decisions which involve destroying the enemy with no disregard. Think of it this way, you have practiced months for that big game, do you want to sit out or get in on the action. These boys want to get in on the action. Do some research. I do not believe the infantry is for you, let alone special ops. I am proud that you want to serve your country, but there are many ways you can do that. Good luck with your future, I hope you find what you are looking for. P.S. I am not saying do not join the service, just reivaluate what you truly desire to achieve from joining the service. It is no joke when lead starts flying- GOOD LUCK.

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    What I also love is how every military forum there are PLETHORAS of idealistic kids that think they can just go career SEAL or Ranger.

    That's the disastrous and completely unrealistic effect Call of fucking Duty has had on our naive youth. EVERYBODY thinks they can get through elite SF indoc training because they play video games.

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