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    Wink thoughts American apaches? - a growing unease at mixing politics with prayer

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/id...20321?irpc=932

    Sorry, mobile version as I'm on my phone. Should be able to change it somehow.

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    We have had God with our nation from its birth. if you will notice Europe is getting away from God and is falling apart. i know your cant appreciate this in your youth but God be with you and your family.

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    Europe is having financial problems, as is the US and the world. The most successful EU countries are mostly least religious. And I appreciate your last comment, even though I don't believe.

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    Gazz, are you 100% sure you are atheist? You will never believe in a God right?
    I know the whole "no atheists in foxholes" saying is bullshit.....I have been around atheist that are fearless when shit hits the fan.....

    But are you truly atheist? Never prayed at all? Never called out to a imaginary higher power to help you get through something painful? never uttered the words "oh my god"?
    You are true to your conviction right?



    When I was younger I had a buddy that always preached atheism. He'd harass my other friends because their father was a chaplain in the Army and they too had strict religious beliefs.....
    Almost every day he would rag on them about their fake god. He wanted people to respect his views about atheism, but he did not show respect in return.

    One night after we got off of work we all piled into a car and headed out to the club to get some pussy and get wasted. It was during a snow storm with really shitty visibility and the driver slid off of the road and rolled the vehicle...

    My atheist buddy hopped out and like a moron and tried to flag down a passing car.....that car lost control as well and struck him. It must have flung him 30-40 feet.....
    We couldn't see and could not locate him right away, visibility was less than 2 ft. We started to hear moans...and heard him shouting "Oh god, Jesus please help me" repeatedly and then we found the blood trail.

    A rescue unit came and he was crying to God and mommie all the way to the ER. He lost a leg and to this day....he is a Christian.
    Funny how some people are.


    I hope you are a true Atheist and not some hypocrite.



    Back on the posted topic,
    I think prayer or any type of religious shit should be kept out of politics as not everyone in our nation is religious or practices Christianity.
    I also feel that work environments should be neutral and religion free.

    I used to get real annoyed while in the USAF when people would pull the religion card to try to get out of work or interfere with the duty schedule.
    So-Called Muslims and converts in the military are notorious for that shit.

    Most of the time we never got to sit down in a dinning area to eat....but when we did it was a hassle because I had to respectfully wait until the rest of my team members finished praying at the table before I could take a bite. There was always one asshole that took extra long to pray.

    Motherfucker, I just want to eat...pray on your own time...not mine. I mean we only got like 10 minutes to eat and you are taking 4-5 minutes to pray?
    Fuck You. respect goes both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PzychoSixx View Post
    ... We started to hear moans...and heard him shouting "Oh god, Jesus please help me" repeatedly...A rescue unit came and he was crying to God and mommie all the way to the ER. He lost a leg and to this day....
    When I was in the mil I was in a jeep (yes WWII era Willie's) that got flipped. Luckily it was one that was equipped with a Milan firing column which acted as a roll bar. My foot was under the seat and got folded in 2, the boot was torn all the way around and there was frothy Monty Pythonesque blood pouring out. I shit myself. I yelled and screamed, cursed, and squirmed around on the ground in the middle of the French Alps, freezing, while thinking my foot is gone or its gonna be gone. I'm sure I invoked the sky fairy's name, and his sons...I'm not just atheist, I'm anti theist. I don't know how anyone can come to this site and see some of the shit that goes on around the planet in the sky fairy's name and then claim that they are also sky fairy believers. We are, as is just about any other lifeforms on this planet genetically predisposed to self preservation and have a primordial fear of the unknown. So a none believer invoking the name of a sky fairy is not proof of the sky fairy's existence but proof of the primordial fear of the unknown's existence.

    Oh and just an FYI. If there is a sky fairy and I get to meet him I'm gonna punch him in the teeth!

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    I am a "true" atheist. I've never prayed, never asked help from "above". I've also been in near death situations, though not as bad as your friends.

    I do how ever say "oh god" (when fucking the girlfriend for example) , as its a modern cultural idiom devoid of any real meaning now. I also celebrate Christmas, because presents and a big ass turkey dinner .

    And thanks for the comment regarding the subject.

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    @ Clodius
    Ouch that sounds painful

    Oh and just an FYI. If there is a sky fairy and I get to meet him I'm gonna punch him in the teeth!
    Hehehe you and me both....


    I know and understand we (well most of us) are genetically predisposed for self-preservation and fear the unknown.
    To me, it just seems stupid and hypocritical if you are an atheist and are in a bind.....to start rambling and praying to god for help. If you do not believe...then do not let those words slip out of your mouth.
    It seems kinda pussy to pray for help "just in case"

    How does that work? I know if I do not believe in something, I'm not going to tailor my views/beliefs to the situation just in case I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazzthompson
    I do how ever say "oh god" (when fucking the girlfriend for example)
    Hehehehe


    And I agree with the rest of your post.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazzthompson View Post
    I am a "true" atheist. I've never prayed, never asked help from "above". I've also been in near death situations, though not as bad as your friends.

    I do how ever say "oh god" (when fucking the girlfriend for example) , as its a modern cultural idiom devoid of any real meaning now. I also celebrate Christmas, because presents and a big ass turkey dinner .

    And thanks for the comment regarding the subject.
    As a true Atheist, where do your morals come from? I know you have plenty, many morals, I have read enough of your comments to say that.

    As a Christian my morals come from God, I mean The Sky Fairy. ( didnt want to lose you here

    Because frankly your morals sound alot like Christian morals, and if so that would be subjective, right?

    I'm trying to understand Atheism more.
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    Interesting about the respect issue being brought up here.

    Did any of you know the kid that caused shit because he wouldnt stand for the Pledge of Allegiance in school?

    You know his parents and the kid dont believe in God and so fuck saying the pledge then right?


    I say fuck you back and dont bitch about God and religion just shut up and be happy the people who believe have done so in the name of God and the inate freedoms God has given us as man.

    That is why America exist so that no ruling man or government can take away your God given rights.


    Its ok I am not upset with you fellas here and your feelings toward myself or other Christians. I just find the hypocrisy in things and then point it out.



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    Eagle are you on drugs? And I'm not talking about marijuana
    What kind of incoherent rant was that?


    In America, you simply cannot force someone to be religious or patriotic.
    That is why we are American.

    You respect the Constitution and the bill of rights yes?
    Or do you just cherry pick what sounds good to you and suits your needs?


    How are your rights on religion being infringed upon?....I do not understand.
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    1892
    "I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands: one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

    1892 to 1923
    "I pledge allegiance to my flag and to the republic for which it stands: one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

    1923 to 1924
    "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States and to the republic for which it stands: one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

    1924 to 1954
    "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands; one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

    1954 to Present
    "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."


    "In God We Trust" was adopted as the official motto of the United States in 1956 as an alternative or replacement to the original motto of E Pluribus Unum, adopted when the Great Seal of the United States was created and adopted in 1782



    hmmmmm.......
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    I am not sure I follow your response. My take is on this issue of respect that needs to be shown goes both ways. Respect religion and the freedom of religion. I respect your right to be a non believer. Yet you should stand and say the pledge of allegiance out of respect for your country and the religious grounds that this country was founded. Please I have been down this road before with gazz and others I am sure. Atheist are trying to proclaim that they need to be respected yet they bash religion and those who believe. Look at clodius his great leader hitchens. That guy shows total disrespect for religion. You all here calling God or Jesus the Sky fairy. So its ok to be a hypocrite just understand when you get flak from people about your respect argument.

    God is ingrained in this country( America ) there is no way to deny it. Again I want to hear the argument again that our founding fathers were atheist and not religious I laugh harder than any other time in my life when I hear atheist make that proclamation.
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    Its quite simple. The cronies of the sky fairy have been steadily encroaching, undermining, and generally imposing their "morals" on the rest of us.

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    But eagle, I DO believe in God.

    And for the Sky fairy, that is their choice. Why hate them because they have different opinions and lifestyles?
    After all we are all human and individually differ from one another.

    But it's ok for you to hate and talk shit about Islam.....but you cannot take criticism regarding Christianity?
    How many Americans are Muslim? Atheists? etc? After all they are American......AMERICAN. Are they not allowed to have the same rights as you?


    You bring up the founding fathers a lot......did you know they actively grew marijuana and smoked it? I'm not talking about industrial hemp. Psychoactive marijuana.
    Our founding fathers were potheads and encouraged others to grow it for pleasure and industrial purposes.

    But to you, marijuana is the devil.....but you'll hammer down some beer.


    Cherry picking......





    For the record, I DO believe in God.....I hate organized religion.
    I do not like homosexuals, but respect their right to marriage
    I HATE muslims, I don't care for Jews. I really do not like Catholics
    I hate hardcore rightwingers and leftists.
    I hate big brother...I hate gun grabbers..
    I hate Obama, I hate GW Bush
    I hate abortion(when used as birth control)
    I don't like Cops, but respect what they do
    I love marijuana.

    As for the homos, people and religions I hate......I respect their choice to live their life as they see fit. It's not my life and I cannot do anything about it anyway.....

    Crazy huh?

    I'm sure there are tons of people that do not agree with my beliefs and lifestyle.
    But guess what, I'm American and my rights to do so are protected just as theirs.


    Eagle do you like porno?
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