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    Quote Originally Posted by PzychoSixx View Post
    But eagle, I DO believe in God.

    And for the Sky fairy, that is their choice. Why hate them because they have different opinions and lifestyles?
    After all we are all human and individually differ from one another.

    But it's ok for you to hate and talk shit about Islam.....but you cannot take criticism regarding Christianity?
    How many Americans are Muslim? Atheists? etc? After all they are American......AMERICAN. Are they not allowed to have the same rights as you?


    You bring up the founding fathers a lot......did you know they actively grew marijuana and smoked it? I'm not talking about industrial hemp. Psychoactive marijuana.
    Our founding fathers were potheads and encouraged others to grow it for pleasure and industrial purposes.

    But to you, marijuana is the devil.....but you'll hammer down some beer.


    Cherry picking......





    For the record, I DO believe in God.....I hate organized religion.
    I do not like homosexuals, but respect their right to marriage
    I HATE muslims, I don't care for Jews. I really do not like Catholics
    I hate hardcore rightwingers and leftists.
    I hate big brother...I hate gun grabbers..
    I hate Obama, I hate GW Bush
    I hate abortion(when used as birth control)
    I don't like Cops, but respect what they do
    I love marijuana.
    I agree with you 100% Sixx. America is a country of Freedom for ALL.

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    Look i was in a catholic school for 8 years this reminds me of Bible class Every day but I agree with MIR this thread is very interesting and a good read

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    HAVANA (Reuters) - Pope Benedict and Cuban revolutionary leader Fidel Castro, both octogenarians, joked about their age in a brief meeting on Wednesday and then Castro popped the question: so what do you do?
    The two world figures chatted for about 30 minutes at the Vatican embassy in Havana near the end of the pope's three-day visit to Cuba, where he called for greater freedom and a bigger role for the Catholic Church in the communist-led nation.
    Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said Benedict, 84, and Castro, 85, had an "exchange of ideas" in a "very cordial" atmosphere.
    Castro led a 1959 revolution and transformed the Caribbean island into a communist state, ruling it for 49 years before stepping down due to poor health in 2008. Under his rule, Cuba for years called itself an atheist state, although relations with the Church have improved over the past two decades.
    Castro arrived for his meeting with the pope on Wednesday in a green Mercedes SUV amid heavy security that included armed guards in a phalanx of surrounding black Mercedes cars.
    He was helped out by two assistants, who supported him as he walked slowly up the steps into the stately white building where Benedict spent Tuesday night and where Pope John Paul II stayed during his landmark 1998 visit.
    "What does a pope do?" Castro asked Benedict, who is just one year his junior. The pontiff told him of his ministry, his foreign trips and his service to the Church, saying he was happy to be in Cuba and with the welcome he received.
    Dressed in a dark Reebok track suit and wearing a scarf despite the searing heat outside, Castro told the pontiff he had watched his whole visit on television. Two of his children were also presented to the pope.
    Castro handed the reins of power to his younger brother, President Raul Castro, four years ago and he has since largely retired from government but he still writes columns and meets with visiting leaders. He told the pontiff he was spending most of his time reading and reflecting on the state of the world.
    His columns are posted on the internet and read aloud on state television, and cover his fears of impending Armageddon, the evils of consumerism and his criticisms of arch ideological foe, the United States.
    CASTRO SEEKS FOOD FOR THOUGHT
    Castro questioned Benedict about changes in Church liturgy and asked the pope to send him a book to help him reflect. The pope said he would think of which one to send, but had not yet decided, Lombardi said.
    The pair discussed the difficult world situation and the problems of mankind from a religious, scientific and cultural point of view.
    And the pope also spoke to Castro about the problem of the absence of God in much of society today and the relationship between faith and reason.
    As he was waiting for the pope, Castro said he had great admiration for Mother Teresa and for John Paul, whose visit 14 years ago marked a watershed in long-strained relations between the communist government and the Church.
    Castro reinstated Christmas as a holiday ahead of John Paul's visit, and in talks on Tuesday with Raul Castro, the pope asked the government to consider also making Good Friday, the day Christians commemorate Christ's death, a national holiday.
    (Writing by Jeff Franks and Simon Gardner; Editing by Kieran Murray)



    im not catholic but I was brought up catholic. Either way it is interesting to me that castro seems to represent atheism with his communism....
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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglethebeagle View Post
    im not catholic but I was brought up catholic. Either way it is interesting to me that castro seems to represent atheism with his communism....
    This makes no sense. What so ever. for one Cuba is secular, not atheist. after the communist revolution Cuba restricted religious practice (to see why, see previous posts) again not atheism. The govern blamed churches for collaborations with the CIA , again this is political reasons (as stated on previous pages) not atheism. State prosecution of religious people and institutions , again NOT atheism.

    it was (not anymore) marxism-leninism which seeks to rid religion (for its own political gains) not atheism. We already explained this on this last page

    I could go on and on. there is no link, there can't be. No single person, let alone a political ideology, can represent atheism. Just seems more fear mongering, associate something you don't like with something people are afraid of (communism in this case) so that people fear both. It's a good tactic to control people .
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazzthompson View Post
    This makes no sense. What so ever. for one Cuba is secular, not atheist. after the communist revolution Cuba restricted religious practice (to see why, see previous posts) again not atheism. The govern blamed churches for collaborations with the CIA , again this is political reasons (as stated on previous pages) not atheism. State prosecution of religious people and institutions , again NOT atheism.

    it was (not anymore) marxism-leninism which seeks to rid religion (for its own political gains) not atheism. We already explained this on this last page




    "Castro led a 1959 revolution and transformed the Caribbean island into a communist state, ruling it for 49 years before stepping down due to poor health in 2008. Under his rule, Cuba for years called itself an atheist state, although relations with the Church have improved over the past two decades."




    I could go on and on. there is no link, there can't be. No single person, let alone a political ideology, can represent atheism. Just seems more fear mongering, associate something you don't like with something people are afraid of (communism in this case) so that people fear both. It's a good tactic to control people .

    @gazz you seem to think from your comments here and elsewhere that what you say is how it is and we all should just believe you when honestly I believe yourself and others are confused a bit on your opinions on atheism. There is no arguing a fact is there? If a dictator states they are an atheist state then what about that is debatable? He declared it and so it is how it is. They have loosened the reigns recently it states which is good. Allowing the Pope to visit is good. So maybe in his twilight the dictator is beginning to see the light.

    I understand from reading your comments for 2 years that you are your biggest fan and that we all should just listen to you as you seem to think you are absolutely right about all your opinions but reality is far from what you believe.

    atheism is a foundation for nothing literally. Check the statistics and you are in a very small minority compared to all mankind.
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    1. Fact: in 1992 Cuba declared itself a secular state, rather than atheist.
    2. Fact: Cuba persecuted religions people and institutions. This is not atheism (and clearly done for political reasons)

    All of the actions of Castro are very clearly for political reasons, he needed no religion (some shit about church and CIA). All in all Castro and communism being representatives of atheism is laughable.

    And everyone is atheist too 99.99% of mankinds religions, some of us go 1 god further. Also. At the current trend atheists will be a majority in many EU countries in 1/2 generations I would imagine.

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    Gazz, where are you getting your numbers on atheists in EU?
    I'm not talking shit, just curious to see for my own "gee whiz" info...

    back in the day most Europeans were heathens right? before the Christians started to convert and massacre?
    or was that just northern Europe?




    "Although the Census 2001 also recorded 390,000 Jedi Knights, making Jedi the fourth-largest "religion" in the UK, this does not confer them any official recognition. In fact, all returns with "Jedi Knight" were classified as "No religion", along with Atheist, Agnostic, Heathen and those who ticked "Other" but did not write in any religion."


    Jedi Knights.....lol
    that's awesome
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    [url]http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/2921/ Religious-and-Social-Attitudes-of-UK-Christians-in-2011.aspx

    Christianity gets large poll numbers, but the fact is the majority are not even "Christians" as latest polls specifically asking this show:

    When asked why they think of themselves as Christian, the research found that fewer than three in ten (28%) say one of the reasons is that they believe in the teachings of Christianity. People are much more likely to consider themselves to be Christian because they were christened or baptised into the religion (72%) or because their parents were members of the religion (38%) than because of personal belief.
    Over a third (37%) have never or almost never prayed outside a church service, with a further 6% saying they pray independently and from choice less than once a year.
    My parents for example, on the last Census listed Christianity, they have never believed in god or practice Christianity in anyway, they simply did it because" they where baptised and their parents always did it. Last time I checked atheists scored pretty high. In the 20-30% I think, but as you can see our own Christians aren't even Christian, let alone give a Fuck. And jedi's rule.

    As for the rest of EU, just a guess. Scandinavian countries are known for their secularist population and atheism (much more than UK), but suffer from the poor polling data because leaving a an official church is (from what ive asked) "a fucking chore".
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    Atheism is a by product of a specific regime, its not the route of it.

    Let's make an assumption, state controlled media is the reason why certain regimes become totalitarian. We can't deny that any totalitarian regime is born from state controlled media can we? I mean look at it, its always the same.

    Totalitarian regime is:
    1. No independent law system.
    2. No independent media.
    3. Atheism.
    4. No elections (Superficial elections).
    5. No political opposition.
    6. No right to voice your opinion.


    Atheism is just one of the tools to control population and limit its views and judgement on actions done by the dictator.

    It's one of the guns in the hands of a shooter, not the shooter in hands of the gun.

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    Atheism is just one of the tools to control population
    I would disagree with this, and claim that religion is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazzthompson View Post
    I would disagree with this, and claim that religion is.
    Gaz, it comes from my previous post about Atheism being a mean to fight influence of religion.

    Just a matter of expression in this case.

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    Modern Atheism has developed in two distinct directions.

    1st being a tool to fight church. At the start of the 20st century we have a global rise of communism which started in Russia. Church has always had huge political influence in Russian Empire and Czars never went against it. It was, as Gazz noted, an extremely useful tool to control peasants. Fear of unknown, together with past middle age mentality, a perfect combination to make one obedient.

    2nd is a modern one. People became self sufficient. It's no longer about making sure you have enough food on the table, its about having the best life you have. Material things are taking over the need to believe in something. Way of life makes us to relay on our own strengths rather then the gold plated cross in church and holly guy in clothes which cost more then you earn in a year. Predominance of science also made sure that we can explain more and more in the world around us.

    Those are my basic thoughts on the matter.

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