http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...d-off-the-map/
Interesting.
Interesting indeed...
Beags, do you speak Farsi? I don't. They can put any subtitles they want in there. I don't know if he said it or not, but before a person who speaks Farsi will translate to us exactly what he said, i'm not gonna believe a video with subtitles. And no, i don't like him, but i'm not gonna play ignorant and believe the video.
So what your saying is you dont believe this or dont believe ahmedijad has ever remotely suggested he wants Israel or America for that matter destroyed?Quote:
Originally Posted by MadeInRu
Because I dont even need this video clip to be legit and I know ahmedijad wants Israel and America wiped off the earth.
I guess that old saying "you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink" applies to you.
Really, I guess all that state run television and media has worked to keep you in the dark on these things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo
Can you understand this?
A website with close ties to Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has outlined why it would be acceptable to kill all Jews and annihilate Israel.
Conservative site Alef has published a doctrine detailing why the destruction of the nation and the slaughter of all its people would be legally and morally justified.
The doctrine, first reported by WND.com, warned that the chance to remove the 'corrupting material' of Israel must not be lost - and that it would only take nine minutes to wipe it out.
And it said it was a 'jurisprudential justification' for Iran's Islamic government to then take the helm.
The article, written by Khamenei's strategy specialist Alireza Forghani, is now being run on most state-owned conservative sites, indicating it has the regime's support.
The crux of dossier said Iran would be justified in launching a pre-emptive strike against Israel because of the threat the Jewish state's leaders are posing against its own nuclear facilities.
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It said Israel would need U.S. approval and help to carry out such an attack, and that because of acurrent passive climate in America the time for Iran to strike was now.
Danger: The dossier said that Ghadr missiles could be used to target urban settlements until the Israelis were wiped out
Listing statistics that reveal 5.7million of Israel's 7.5million citizens are Jewish, the dangerous dossier breaks down the districts with the highest concentration of Jews.
Ruler: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad visited South America recently to build relationships with leaders
It states that Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Haifa contain more than 60 per cent of the Jewish population, which could be hit by Shahab 3 ballistic missiles to easily kill everyone.
Sejil missiles, which are almost impossible to intercept, could be used to hit key nuclear plants - including Israel's main engineering centre Rafael and the Eilun and Nebrin plants.
They could also targety the Dimona reactor, in the nuclear research centre in Neqeb, which produces 90 per cent of the enriched uranium used in Israel's nuclear weapons.
Airports, air force bases, power plants, sewage treatment facilities and energy resources would also be hit.
And, the dossier concluded, Ghadr missiles could also be used to target urban settlements until the Israelis were wiped out.
The publication of the doctrine comes after Khamenei announced on Friday that Iran would support any nation or group that attacks the 'cancerous tumour' of Israel.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1sQiIDBl4
This is just some Fox news bullshit right? Oh wait its a British news website.
well I'm not sure what you're referring to, but I know many times he has said he does not want war, historically Iran has never attacked anyone, so I don't think there is reason to believe they would start now, especially when we've already committed an act of war by sanctioning them while Israel has murdered so many of their civilian scientists *terrorism cough* I mean if they don't respond militarily to that, they aren't going to respond militarily at all, it will be us that starts the conflict if it is to occur.Quote:
Originally Posted by eaglethebeagle
Iran is one of the moral anuses of the world, we need to just stay the fuck away and not waste another couple trillion dollars trying to govern a middle eastern country for a decade.
Firstly, which state media? I don't have Russian television, i don't have Russia today channel either. I don't watch TV at all for that matter, like it's not even connected. Only watch DVDs and play some games.
Second, i don't like Ahmadinjad (What ever his name is spelled).
But i'm working at translation business, i know how you can interpret things the way you want.
British media? You mean the same media that was totally silent when war in Georgia started and only started translating videos from there when Russians entered the war? And then showed images of Georgians using Grad missile systems and said those were Russians?
Yeah... very reliable source of information...
You see Beags, unlike in your case, there is no Atlantic ocean between me and Iran, so i want to be sure that if we do something stupid, we're doing it for a reason.
"I'm fed up to the ears with old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in."
George McGovern
America, myself the entire free world is tired of war and no one with a reasonable intelect wants war. Yet as history even very recent history shows war is common to the world and man kind cannot go with out it. I am tired or terrorism of all kinds. I would love it if the entire world would hold hands and kiss and hug one another maybe all the men and all the women just do a global orgy minus the STDs. Well that is the real fantasy isnt it? There is no world peace or ending war. America has been in the middle of many conflicts and I can assure you that most Americans would have preferred to not have been in any wars.
We didn't have much choice in WW2 the cold war forced us into the other conflicts. Now in modern times we have been attacked by the worst terror attack in world history were we not?
So we just have had no choice in my opinion about being involved in war. Now if we are overly sensitive to nations threatening attacks towards us specifically like Iran has or even our allies such as Israel then I think we have every fucking right to take it seriously. Not to mention iran does sponsor terrorism and they are led by fanatics both religiously and governmentaly.
I dont care about Iran hasnt attacked anyone with their military. They have sponsored terrorism and that is an attack regardless of how its defined.
I find it funny how hard many of you debate for these terrorist nations. Really you have some strange emotional attachment to these little Napoleon wanna be regimes. Strange very strange.
Then Beags, explain this to me please.
How come US is supporting Saudi Arabia, the single biggest sponsor of terror? What are the moral reasons and implications behind that?
In my memory only freedom loving countries have started wars in the last 20 years, and guess what, what did we achieved? What?
well some douchebag has to preach for peace or it wouldn't even be a fantasy to work towards.Quote:
Originally Posted by eaglethebeagle
I'm willing to be that guy any day.
I do like this post gazz, I had not heard that and thanks for the information.
I do agree that Iran is a threat. They certainly to have the ability and radicalism to pose a security risk to the middle east and the global economy. The thing behind it all is nukes. The United States and the press have put so much emphasis on Iran the past few years, why? Israel. Israel is our ally, questionable at times, but still a great ally. Iran has provided weapons and training to terrorist groups, EFP's are a great example of this. I hate to say this, because I know it sounds right but it is what's on the minds quite a few people in Washington, while Iran was most certainly looking to aquire nuclear weapons before 9/11 it pursued them like nother after. If the most powerful nation in the world calls you out as the axis of evil and already started two wars what would you do? From a military stand point I would get ready for the next big war if I was them, just saying not trying to say I agree with Irans decisions but it all does make perfect sense.
Now the issue of nuclear weapons, it is a major issue that Iran WILL aquire nuclear weapons. Yes they will eventually aquire nuclear weapons, I don't know how willing they will be to using them with the guarenteed flattening of their nation. Iran has been put forth as the number one threat, when I would beg to ask are they really? How about North Korea, currently going through a transition between leaders, a much dier economic situation, military skirmishes with their neighbor (resulting in deaths from military to military), South Korea a VERY strong ally of the United States and the west, constantly threatening war to the US and SK if we do much of anything, and best of all they already have nukes! They are light years ahead of Iran with virtually every aspect of the nuclear issue, not to mention they have been far more aggressive with their actions and provocations in regards to the US, SK and the world in general.
Is Iran a threat, yes, is it the largest threat to the world right now? NO. I personally think NK is, they are at a far to bitter crossroads with the capability to cause a hell of a lot more harm than Iran is or will be able to do in the near future. That being said, the future is tomorrow which is not all that far away, and Iran should be dealt with to prevent the same situation as NK.
Its ok to have dreams and fantasies but then you still should live in reality. Reality is there are men and nations that will kill you and your family despite your feelings of sympathy for them. i hazard a guess that their was at least one at the very minimum at least one muslim in the towers when they got hit or when they fell. So you could be muslim say in pakiland who hates America and protest all the drone attacks and rallies meetings to talk about how to get America out of your country and still walk to the market one day and boom taliban suicide attack has your head and body painting the nearest wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by sw1442
So go ahead and dream on. I honestly prefer wet dreams with Megan Fox or Marilyn Monroe though than worry about peace and love bullshit.
oh and please correct your comments about America starting wars. Last I checked America was attacked on 9/11 which then America retaliated back at nations who supported terrorism specifically al qaeda.
North Korea has two problems first they cannot successfully launch a long range missile to be of any threat to anyone outside their region.
Secondly their people are likely ready for a conflict so they can surrender to the first enemy they encounter so to get better food and treatment than they receive now. Do you recall the first Gulf War when the Iraqi soldiers were surrendering to the news media? That is likely the entire North Korean military if it were to happen.
Iran would certainly be signing their death certificate if they used a nuke on Israel but I am of the opinion that they truly will wait to only use their first attack on America. It would be a single blow before they got melted into the sand but they would do it for the fanaticism in them only. They are close or have reached the ICBM tech needed to deliver a nuke to America. The final piece is the nuclear warhead which they seem to be near in all likelihood. I personally feel obama would stand down even if he learned iran had completed a nuke just for the sake of avoiding a conflict before his election in November.
He is a marxist commie slimy shit for brains. He certainly will enrage more than Americans if he lets Iran get a nuke.