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ianstone
06-16-2010, 10:04 PM
Turkey to urgently buy nine extra attack helicopters



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Wednesday, June 16, 2010
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The T129 helicopters are expected to be used against the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK. AA photo
Turkey urgently will launch talks to buy nine additional T129 attack helicopters being built by a group led by the Italian-British manufacturer AgustaWestland. The helicopters are expected to be used against the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, operating in an area near the country’s borders with Iraq and Iran, a key official announced late Tuesday.
"In an effort to meet the urgent needs of the Turkish Land Forces Command and as part of the ongoing attack helicopter program, negotiations for the procurement of an additional nine attack helicopters will be launched with TUSAS," National Defense Minister Vecdi Gönül told reporters after a meeting of the Defense Industry Executive Committee, Turkey’s highest decision-making body on procurement.
The PKK is considered as a terrorist organization by Turkey, the European Union and the United States.
TUSAS is the Turkish name for the Turkish Aerospace Industries, the prime contractor in Ankara’s ongoing program to jointly manufacture 50 other attack helicopters with the Italian-led AgustaWestland.
The nine helicopters will come in addition to those 50 choppers. The additional nine gunships to be procured also will be the T129s, the planned Turkish version of the A129 Mangusta International. The additional contract is expected to be worth a few hundred million dollars.
The Defense Industry Executive Committee’s members include Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Gönül, Chief of General Staff Gen. İlker Başbuğ and the head of Turkey’s procurement agency, Murad Bayar.
Faster production
TUSAS and AgustaWestland officials are expected to meet as early as next week to discuss the production timetable for the nine additional gunships urgently needed by the Army.
The planned target would be the delivery of the first of these nine gunships within two years, one industry source said.
Bayar’s office, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries, and AgustaWestland signed a multibillion-dollar contract in 2008 for joint production of 50 T129s. The first of these helicopters are planned to be delivered in 2014.
The PKK has stepped up attacks on Turkish targets this spring.
The Turkish Army presently operates about six U.S.-made AH-1W Super Cobras and more than 20 earlier model Cobra helicopters, and military officials in recent years have voiced an urgent need for additional gunships to improve the fight against the PKK.
The T129s of the original 2008 contract should become operational as of 2014, and the latest announcement for additional gunships means a stopgap solution until that time.
On another helicopter business, the Defense Industry Executive Committee's Tuesday meeting did not produce a much expected decision on the selection of the Turkish military's next utility – or general purpose – helicopter.
AgustaWestland and the U.S. Sikorsky Aircraft are vying for the multibillion-dollar contract to jointly manufacture with Turkish partners hundreds of utility helicopters. The first batch includes 109 platforms.
Gönül said the committee is expected to reach a final utility helicopter decision soon, but did not elaborate. The committee's next meeting is expected in the fall, probably in October.
In a related development, Gönül said Turkey had decided to sign a foreign military sales agreement with the United States for the purchase of several heavy-lift helicopters for the Army and the Special Forces.
The U.S. Congress in December formally allowed for the sale to the Turkish military of 14 CH-47F Chinook heavy-lift helicopters and related equipment, worth up to $1.2 billion.
Turkey's Special Forces will buy four of the CH-47s, and the rest will go to the Army. Boeing manufactures these platforms. The 14 CH-47F Chinooks will be the first heavy-lift helicopters in the Turkish military's inventory.
Asked to comment on whether recent Turkish-Israeli tensions would lead to curbs in defense industry relations with the country, Gönül said Turkey presently had no state-to-state agreement with Israel on arms purchases. He said the ongoing deals were private contracts between Turkish and Israeli companies and they would not be affected.

Turkey mulls fresh military cargo plane buy



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Tuesday, January 26, 2010
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The Airbus A400M military transporter is landing in Seville in this file photo. Talks in Berlin on the troubled Airbus A400M military transport plane ended without a breakthrough on Jan. 22, 2010. AFP photo
Turkey will have to look for other options to meet its Air Force's cargo aircraft requirements if the pan-European Airbus A400M military transport plane program collapses at the end of this month, officials and analysts said.
As a member of the Airbus A400M consortium, Turkey has been planning to buy 10 planes. But because of delays of more than two years and huge cost increases, the future of the program is in jeopardy.
Procurement officials from seven European countries, including Turkey, with orders to buy the A400 tried and failed last week to resolve differences over how to share billions of euros in cost overruns. They are expected to meet again this week in an effort to reach reconciliation before a Jan. 31 deadline.
If the A400 program is canceled altogether, Turkey will have to buy other cargo aircraft, officials said.
Some military officials already say that Ankara should buy Lockheed Martin's C-130J, the most modern in the C130 family of cargo planes, while some procurement officials say the Italian Alenia's C-27J also is an option.
Members of the A400 consortium include Germany, France, Spain, Britain, Turkey, Belgium and Luxembourg.
The Airbus A400M is a four-engine turboprop military transport aircraft. It was designed by Airbus Military to replace or supplement aircraft used for the role of tactical airlifter. In recent years it has become far more expensive to make than initially anticipated.
The A400 took off on its maiden flight in Spain in December. Originally, production of a total of 180 planes had been planned.
In their Berlin meeting last week, officials from the seven member countries met with authorities from EADS, the parent company of Airbus, maker of the A400, but the uncertainty over what to do to meet additional expenses remained in place.
Parliament allocation:
Turkish Defense Minister Vecdi Gönül said in January that Ankara wanted the program to remain in place, but it was not ready to agree to greatly increased costs. "We want this plane, but we cannot pay more than what Parliament has allocated for the project," he said.
If the program remains in place but the prices increase to the tune of 25 percent, an option for Turkey is to buy seven planes instead of the originally planned 10. But Turkey, by itself, cannot control the program's fate.
If a solution is found soon and the A400 program remains in place, the Turkish Aerospace Industries, or TAI, would produce parts of the plane altogether worth some $750 million throughout the project's life span.
In a related development, Turkey's own program to upgrade its older C-130B and C-130E cargo planes also is faltering, with the avionic modernization of the 13 aircraft facing delays of more than two years.
"If the A400's collapse becomes clear soon, Turkey will have to open talks with the Americans and some Europeans for the purchase of an alternative model," said one defense analyst, on condition of anonymity.
Presently, the Turkish Air Force also has 19 older European-made C-160s, which originally had been planned to be eventually replaced by the A400.
In addition, the Turkish military is operating about 50 CN-235 light transport aircrafts manufactured jointly with Spain.

joelee
06-17-2010, 05:07 AM
AND they have drafted Cagatay!

MickDonalds
06-17-2010, 07:06 AM
Why the fuck are we selling them our toys? I understand the Vietnam Vintage Super Cobras, but CH47's? No Go.

death2mooj
06-17-2010, 11:08 AM
Why the fuck are we selling them our toys? I understand the Vietnam Vintage Super Cobras, but CH47's? No Go.

Why do they have 6 super cobra's???

MickDonalds
06-17-2010, 03:27 PM
The Cobras I wouldn't worry about. We can shoot those down with an Apache (or hell..even a drone) easily in combat. I don't like the idea of them having the same air assault platorms as us though, especially when they're just a loose ally and not a "partner nation" as other countries currently are.

I guess one thing to keep in mind is that a military is only as good as their training and efficiency. Arabs tend to be extremely lazy when it comes to training for battle. Turks aren't Arabs, but from what I've heard, their training mentality is similar to that of their neighbors in Syria, Jordan and their regional neighbors in Gulf Arab states such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, Oman, etc.