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05-18-2010, 09:38 PM
Douglas Murray (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/douglasmurray/)
Douglas Murray is a bestselling author and award-winning journalist based in London. He has written for numerous publications including the Telegraph, Spectator, Wall Street Journal and Sunday Times. He is a columnist for Standpoint magazine and the Director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, a Westminster think-tank which studies radicalisation and extremism in Britain.
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Why do al-Qaeda's rights trump those of the British people?
There has been a noticably large amount of talk recently about the make-up of the new government: which party has power; who does what; what they should wear.
So it is sobering to be reminded by a special immigration court this morning that none of this really matters. If you were under the impression that it did then it is worth reading the details of this case (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/7736462/Al-Qaeda-operative-cannot-be-deported-court-rules.html).
Abid Naseer and ten others were arrested last year in a round-up of suspects accused of being involved in an Al-Qaeda Easter bomb plot in Manchester. Readers will remember that the raids against suspects had to go off early because the then counter-terror chief, Bob Quick, was filmed carrying a visible list of the suspects’ names into Downing Street.
Eight of the men returned voluntarily to Pakistan. But Naseer and one other appealed that they could be treated badly if they returned to Pakistan and have now won the right to stay in Britain. As the Telegraph reports (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/7736462/Al-Qaeda-operative-cannot-be-deported-court-rules.html):
The Special Immigration and Appeals Commission said it was “satisfied that Naseer was an al-Qaeda operative who posed and still poses a serious threat to the national security of the United Kingdom and that… it is conducive to the public good that he should be deported.”
Nevertheless, it said Pakistan had a “long and well-documented history of disappearances, illegal detention and of the torture and ill-treatment of those detained, usually to produce information, a confession or compliance.”
Because of the risk that they will be tortured if returned to their native country of Pakistan, these al-Qaeda associates are therefore going to remain in Britain. The Home Secretary, Theresa May, has said that the government will not be appealing against the ruling. In truth it isn’t in her power to do anything about it. Our commitments under the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR) mean that the possible threat to the British people caused by Mr Naseer remaining here is less important that the possibility that Mr Naseer could be ill-treated if returned to his home country.
Isn’t it interesting, by the way, to note that someone who spent all their time yelling “jihad jihad jihad” could, if they risked getting hurt themselves, suddenly switch to crying “human-rights, human-rights, human-rights” and “ECHR, ECHR, ECHR”?
Now I know that this might be a bit much to ask, and a bit early in the government to ask it. But is it not possible that someone, please anyone, in a position of political power or leadership in this or any government, could break the ice and explain that it matters far far less to us whether Mr Naseer is tortured than it does that the British people are safe from being blown up?
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But haven’t you just described the inherent flaw in modern liberalism? There will always be a shift toward collectivist understandings of human nature. Liberals don’t look at a terrorist (or certainly not an Islamic terrorist) as evil but merely an individual living through their ‘construction of reality’. I would have been surprised if they did order his deportation, it would have gone opposite to lefty interpretation of human rights. Until we cleanse ourselves from this type of thinking, not much will change.
http://bit.ly/aOtAIS (http://bit.ly/aOtAIS)
hasanafzal (http://www.theconservativeblog.co.uk/) on May 18th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
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hear hear.
furthermore, what does this tell us about the “The Special Immigration and Appeals Commission”.
Who are these people? Why can’t they be prosecuted for furthering the endangerment of the British public by negligently advancing the personal welfare of an immigrant terrorist over the good of the great British public.
We can’t afford to be presided over by such incompetent (at best) and possibly nefarious fools. Time to shine the spotlight on them.
debunker on May 18th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
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Here are a few quotes from David “Cast Iron” Cameron about the Human Rights Act, made to the party’s 2007 conference
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7026435.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7026435.stm)
“They won’t give us proper border controls but they long to give us ID cards. They trash important civil liberties like jury trial but they will keep the Human Rights Act that actually hinders our fight against terrorism.”
“But it wasn’t just that, it was the cynicism of it. He told us things that he knows he can’t do: ‘British jobs for British workers’ is illegal under EU law. ‘Deporting people for gun and knife crime’, you can’t do that because of the Human Rights Act. I have to say to our prime minister: ‘If you treat people like fools you don’t deserve to run the country let alone win an election’.”
“They won’t give us proper border controls but they long to give us ID cards. They trash important civil liberties like jury trial but they will keep the Human Rights Act that actually hinders our fight against terrorism.”
“We will give Britain a proper Border Police Force, and we will scrap the pointless ID cards. We will defend important civil liberties like jury trial but we will replace the Human Rights act.”
Ever get the feeling you’ve been had????
randomman on May 18th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
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http://www.politics.co.uk/news/party-politics/conservatives/cameron-vows-to-scrap-human-rights-act-$443270.htm (http://www.politics.co.uk/news/party-politics/conservatives/cameron-vows-to-scrap-human-rights-act-$443270.htm)
“Cameron vows to scrap Human Rights Act”
He mean’t it when he said it!
Nu Labour / Blu Labour, spot the difference.
randomman on May 18th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
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So are we ruled by the politicians we elect or judges who we don’t?
International Treaties are used to limit the ability of the electorate to change the way they are governed. It is alright to go on about the “sovereignty of parliament” and its theoretical ability to rescind treaties but we know they won’t. We sleepwalk into tyranny. Laws that conflict with the majority culture have no moral authority.
stuiec on May 18th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
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These do-gooders and immoral meddlers will have blood on their hands if a bomb goes off in Britain, killing innocent lives.
Hagar on May 18th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
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If this man is a proven operative and nothing can be done to make the people of Britain safe against him, can I ask what is the point of expensive police/security operations to track these people down?
Why waste money on police anti-terror squads if the suspect is immune?
Hagar on May 18th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
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“Now I know this might be a bit too much to ask”.
Yes, why is Western Civilization in self-destruct mode?
This is misguided pathalogical altruism that qualifies as criminal misconduct.Active abettors and facilitators of the Jihadists.
This human rights legislation leaves society response crippled and castrated in the face of this threat.
Islam must smell fear, weakness and decay in western society.
The danger in Europe today does not come from extreme right wing sources, it comes from the Jihad friendly Left.
A healthy society would be capable of organising a street protest outside the Headquarters of the ECHR, as a way of waking them up—but we seem to be overcome with apathy and complacency.
Hagar on May 18th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
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We need the E.D.L. to organise a protest at the ECHR. It looks like the only non-left protest group that the U.K. has been able to muster.
No doubt Camerons,state authorized anti-nationalist,anti-racist marxist street thugs ,the U.A.F would be there waiting to attack the E.D.L. if the E.D.L attempted to do so.
The same U.A.F. that had its leader Weyman Bennett and 60 of his thugs arrested for injuring several police officers and a charge of conspiracy to commit public disorder.
The election has shown that the general public might read the Daily Mail…but they are in such a comotose,consumer orientated materialistic stupour, that it would take a Jihadist dirty nuclear device in their garden to drag them away from X-factor.
The only thing that this leftist dictatorship will respect is organised mass protest.
We need the E.D.L and lot more of it.
Dan O Connor on May 18th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
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We could usefully supply ourselves with some decent judges.
Mr Justice Mitting, the beak on this occasion, has a depressingly consistent track record in doing us, the British people, down.
Time to elect the judiciary.
neilmack on May 18th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
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The man has not been tried yet. There is a form of law in Britain that has to be followed for everyone, regardless of nationality, colour and religion.
The man has been found a threat by a commisssion; the kind of thing on which scorn is heaped daily by people on here. If a case can be made against him and he can be found guilty and it can be proven he is an Al Queda operative then imprison him and afterwards send him home.
The other men who went home voluntarily may or may not have been guilty of anything; they were never charged and convicted. The whole episode looks like another in the long list of botched investigations and missed opportunities for clear conviction that has typified some of the anti-terrorist work done in Britain recently.
Once again something complicated is being used simplisticly here to excite the ire of the already slavering mass (about as ‘cohesive’ as chucking a handful of sand and granite chippings into a differential). They may all have been innocent of all the assumed charges against them. Nothing was ever placed before a court. All that has happened is that the police, who want to cover themselves no doubt, have placed something that we haven’t seen and may be rubbish before a commisssion. On that basis you would send someone off to be tortured and probably killed? And being conducive to the public good seems to me to be weasel speak for probably better off without him on the grounds that we have no idea whether or not he is a danger.
If the Commission really felt the man was going to blow you up they would surely be demanding the police arrest him. More panic and invites for the multi-posters to join the ‘Western Jihad’. They are all out to get us…… no they aren’t…… grow up.
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Duckham (http://jduckham.blogspot.com/) on May 18th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
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Read this dummies:
“Times Square Bomber Linked With CIA-Controlled Terror Group”
“A man arrested in Pakistan in connection with the Times Square car bombing attempt who had traveled with accused bomber Faisal Shahzad is a member of a terrorist organization that is controlled by British MI6 and the CIA.
Sheik Mohammed Rehan, who was arrested on Tuesday in Karachi, “Allegedly drove with Shahzad from Karachi to Peshawar on July 7, 2009, in a pickup truck, authorities said. They returned to Karachi July 22. It is not known why they went to Peshawar and whether they met with anyone there,” reports the L.A. Times.
Rehan is a member of the militant group Jaish-e-Muhammad, a terrorist organization that came to prominence in the mid-1990’s and has been involved in attacks in the disputed Kashmir border region between India and Pakistan. The group also helped carry out the December 2001 attack on the Indian Parliament which brought India and Pakistan to the brink of nuclear war, tensions that proved very lucrative for British and American arms manufacturers who sold weapons to both sides.
“The December 2001 terrorist attacks on the Indian parliament — which contributed to pushing India and Pakistan to the brink of war — were conducted by two Pakistan-based rebel groups, Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Muhammad, both of which are covertly supported by Pakistan’s ISI,” writes Michel Chossudovsky. “Needless to say, these ISI-supported terrorist attacks serve the geopolitical interests of the US. They not only contribute to weakening and fracturing the Indian Union, they also create conditions which favor the outbreak of a regional war between Pakistan and India.”
Jaish-e-Muhammad, the group now emerging in connection with the Times Square incident, was founded by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, the 9/11 bagman who delivered $100,000 from the United Arab Emirates to Mohammed Atta at the behest of General Mahmud Ahmed, then head of the ISI. Mahmud Ahmed, the man who ordered Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh to bankroll the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, was meeting with Republican Congressman Porter Goss and Democratic Senator Bob Graham in Washington DC on the morning of 9/11. In the days before and after the attack, Ahmed also met with CIA Head George Tenet as well as current Vice-President Joe Biden, then Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
In a report on Jaish-e-Muhammad’s involvement in the murder of Daniel Pearl, who was investigating the ISI, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported that the Pakistani government, “Believe that Saeed Sheikh’s power comes not from the ISI, but from his connections with our own CIA.”
Former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf also alleged that Sheikh was recruited by MI6 while studying in London for the effort to destabilize Bosnia. During the 1992-1995 Bosnia conflict, the CIA helped Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda to train and arm Bosnian Muslims.
In 2002, the London Times reported that Sheikh “is no ordinary terrorist but a man who has connections that reach high into Pakistan’s military and intelligence elite and into the innermost circles of Osama Bin Laden and the al-Qaeda organization.”
Despite Sheikh’s intimate involvement in numerous acts of terror as well as political kidnappings, including the 2008 Mumbai massacre, he was protected by both the CIA and British intelligence at every turn.
To recap, this is the man who founded the group now emerging in connection with the botched Times Square bombing – a CIA and MI6 asset.
“Experts believe Jaish-e-Muhammad still benefits from links with Pakistan’s powerful government intelligence community. Some experts believe Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency facilitated the group’s formation,” states yesterday’s L.A. Times article.
As the vast majority of geopolitical analysts concur, the Pakistani ISI is virtually nothing more than a CIA outpost. The ISI does nothing without the Agency giving its approval. The CIA has paid millions of dollars to the ISI since 9/11, accounting for no less than a third of the ISI’s entire budget, despite the foreign spy agency’s notorious history of funding and arming terrorist groups like Jaish-e-Muhammad and despite the fact that it bankrolled the 9/11 hijackers.
Since the CIA has its fingerprints all over almost every Middle Eastern terror group, it’s unsurprising that an Agency connection to the Times Square bomber has come to light. We’ve never come across a terrorist who wasn’t trained, equipped, radicalized, entrapped, or provocateured by a western intelligence agency or a terror group controlled by a western intelligence agency.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19026 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19026)
Douglas Murray is a bestselling author and award-winning journalist based in London. He has written for numerous publications including the Telegraph, Spectator, Wall Street Journal and Sunday Times. He is a columnist for Standpoint magazine and the Director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, a Westminster think-tank which studies radicalisation and extremism in Britain.
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Why do al-Qaeda's rights trump those of the British people?
There has been a noticably large amount of talk recently about the make-up of the new government: which party has power; who does what; what they should wear.
So it is sobering to be reminded by a special immigration court this morning that none of this really matters. If you were under the impression that it did then it is worth reading the details of this case (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/7736462/Al-Qaeda-operative-cannot-be-deported-court-rules.html).
Abid Naseer and ten others were arrested last year in a round-up of suspects accused of being involved in an Al-Qaeda Easter bomb plot in Manchester. Readers will remember that the raids against suspects had to go off early because the then counter-terror chief, Bob Quick, was filmed carrying a visible list of the suspects’ names into Downing Street.
Eight of the men returned voluntarily to Pakistan. But Naseer and one other appealed that they could be treated badly if they returned to Pakistan and have now won the right to stay in Britain. As the Telegraph reports (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/7736462/Al-Qaeda-operative-cannot-be-deported-court-rules.html):
The Special Immigration and Appeals Commission said it was “satisfied that Naseer was an al-Qaeda operative who posed and still poses a serious threat to the national security of the United Kingdom and that… it is conducive to the public good that he should be deported.”
Nevertheless, it said Pakistan had a “long and well-documented history of disappearances, illegal detention and of the torture and ill-treatment of those detained, usually to produce information, a confession or compliance.”
Because of the risk that they will be tortured if returned to their native country of Pakistan, these al-Qaeda associates are therefore going to remain in Britain. The Home Secretary, Theresa May, has said that the government will not be appealing against the ruling. In truth it isn’t in her power to do anything about it. Our commitments under the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR) mean that the possible threat to the British people caused by Mr Naseer remaining here is less important that the possibility that Mr Naseer could be ill-treated if returned to his home country.
Isn’t it interesting, by the way, to note that someone who spent all their time yelling “jihad jihad jihad” could, if they risked getting hurt themselves, suddenly switch to crying “human-rights, human-rights, human-rights” and “ECHR, ECHR, ECHR”?
Now I know that this might be a bit much to ask, and a bit early in the government to ask it. But is it not possible that someone, please anyone, in a position of political power or leadership in this or any government, could break the ice and explain that it matters far far less to us whether Mr Naseer is tortured than it does that the British people are safe from being blown up?
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But haven’t you just described the inherent flaw in modern liberalism? There will always be a shift toward collectivist understandings of human nature. Liberals don’t look at a terrorist (or certainly not an Islamic terrorist) as evil but merely an individual living through their ‘construction of reality’. I would have been surprised if they did order his deportation, it would have gone opposite to lefty interpretation of human rights. Until we cleanse ourselves from this type of thinking, not much will change.
http://bit.ly/aOtAIS (http://bit.ly/aOtAIS)
hasanafzal (http://www.theconservativeblog.co.uk/) on May 18th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
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hear hear.
furthermore, what does this tell us about the “The Special Immigration and Appeals Commission”.
Who are these people? Why can’t they be prosecuted for furthering the endangerment of the British public by negligently advancing the personal welfare of an immigrant terrorist over the good of the great British public.
We can’t afford to be presided over by such incompetent (at best) and possibly nefarious fools. Time to shine the spotlight on them.
debunker on May 18th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
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Here are a few quotes from David “Cast Iron” Cameron about the Human Rights Act, made to the party’s 2007 conference
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7026435.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7026435.stm)
“They won’t give us proper border controls but they long to give us ID cards. They trash important civil liberties like jury trial but they will keep the Human Rights Act that actually hinders our fight against terrorism.”
“But it wasn’t just that, it was the cynicism of it. He told us things that he knows he can’t do: ‘British jobs for British workers’ is illegal under EU law. ‘Deporting people for gun and knife crime’, you can’t do that because of the Human Rights Act. I have to say to our prime minister: ‘If you treat people like fools you don’t deserve to run the country let alone win an election’.”
“They won’t give us proper border controls but they long to give us ID cards. They trash important civil liberties like jury trial but they will keep the Human Rights Act that actually hinders our fight against terrorism.”
“We will give Britain a proper Border Police Force, and we will scrap the pointless ID cards. We will defend important civil liberties like jury trial but we will replace the Human Rights act.”
Ever get the feeling you’ve been had????
randomman on May 18th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
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http://www.politics.co.uk/news/party-politics/conservatives/cameron-vows-to-scrap-human-rights-act-$443270.htm (http://www.politics.co.uk/news/party-politics/conservatives/cameron-vows-to-scrap-human-rights-act-$443270.htm)
“Cameron vows to scrap Human Rights Act”
He mean’t it when he said it!
Nu Labour / Blu Labour, spot the difference.
randomman on May 18th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
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So are we ruled by the politicians we elect or judges who we don’t?
International Treaties are used to limit the ability of the electorate to change the way they are governed. It is alright to go on about the “sovereignty of parliament” and its theoretical ability to rescind treaties but we know they won’t. We sleepwalk into tyranny. Laws that conflict with the majority culture have no moral authority.
stuiec on May 18th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
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These do-gooders and immoral meddlers will have blood on their hands if a bomb goes off in Britain, killing innocent lives.
Hagar on May 18th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
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If this man is a proven operative and nothing can be done to make the people of Britain safe against him, can I ask what is the point of expensive police/security operations to track these people down?
Why waste money on police anti-terror squads if the suspect is immune?
Hagar on May 18th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
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“Now I know this might be a bit too much to ask”.
Yes, why is Western Civilization in self-destruct mode?
This is misguided pathalogical altruism that qualifies as criminal misconduct.Active abettors and facilitators of the Jihadists.
This human rights legislation leaves society response crippled and castrated in the face of this threat.
Islam must smell fear, weakness and decay in western society.
The danger in Europe today does not come from extreme right wing sources, it comes from the Jihad friendly Left.
A healthy society would be capable of organising a street protest outside the Headquarters of the ECHR, as a way of waking them up—but we seem to be overcome with apathy and complacency.
Hagar on May 18th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
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We need the E.D.L. to organise a protest at the ECHR. It looks like the only non-left protest group that the U.K. has been able to muster.
No doubt Camerons,state authorized anti-nationalist,anti-racist marxist street thugs ,the U.A.F would be there waiting to attack the E.D.L. if the E.D.L attempted to do so.
The same U.A.F. that had its leader Weyman Bennett and 60 of his thugs arrested for injuring several police officers and a charge of conspiracy to commit public disorder.
The election has shown that the general public might read the Daily Mail…but they are in such a comotose,consumer orientated materialistic stupour, that it would take a Jihadist dirty nuclear device in their garden to drag them away from X-factor.
The only thing that this leftist dictatorship will respect is organised mass protest.
We need the E.D.L and lot more of it.
Dan O Connor on May 18th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
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We could usefully supply ourselves with some decent judges.
Mr Justice Mitting, the beak on this occasion, has a depressingly consistent track record in doing us, the British people, down.
Time to elect the judiciary.
neilmack on May 18th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
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The man has not been tried yet. There is a form of law in Britain that has to be followed for everyone, regardless of nationality, colour and religion.
The man has been found a threat by a commisssion; the kind of thing on which scorn is heaped daily by people on here. If a case can be made against him and he can be found guilty and it can be proven he is an Al Queda operative then imprison him and afterwards send him home.
The other men who went home voluntarily may or may not have been guilty of anything; they were never charged and convicted. The whole episode looks like another in the long list of botched investigations and missed opportunities for clear conviction that has typified some of the anti-terrorist work done in Britain recently.
Once again something complicated is being used simplisticly here to excite the ire of the already slavering mass (about as ‘cohesive’ as chucking a handful of sand and granite chippings into a differential). They may all have been innocent of all the assumed charges against them. Nothing was ever placed before a court. All that has happened is that the police, who want to cover themselves no doubt, have placed something that we haven’t seen and may be rubbish before a commisssion. On that basis you would send someone off to be tortured and probably killed? And being conducive to the public good seems to me to be weasel speak for probably better off without him on the grounds that we have no idea whether or not he is a danger.
If the Commission really felt the man was going to blow you up they would surely be demanding the police arrest him. More panic and invites for the multi-posters to join the ‘Western Jihad’. They are all out to get us…… no they aren’t…… grow up.
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Duckham (http://jduckham.blogspot.com/) on May 18th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
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Read this dummies:
“Times Square Bomber Linked With CIA-Controlled Terror Group”
“A man arrested in Pakistan in connection with the Times Square car bombing attempt who had traveled with accused bomber Faisal Shahzad is a member of a terrorist organization that is controlled by British MI6 and the CIA.
Sheik Mohammed Rehan, who was arrested on Tuesday in Karachi, “Allegedly drove with Shahzad from Karachi to Peshawar on July 7, 2009, in a pickup truck, authorities said. They returned to Karachi July 22. It is not known why they went to Peshawar and whether they met with anyone there,” reports the L.A. Times.
Rehan is a member of the militant group Jaish-e-Muhammad, a terrorist organization that came to prominence in the mid-1990’s and has been involved in attacks in the disputed Kashmir border region between India and Pakistan. The group also helped carry out the December 2001 attack on the Indian Parliament which brought India and Pakistan to the brink of nuclear war, tensions that proved very lucrative for British and American arms manufacturers who sold weapons to both sides.
“The December 2001 terrorist attacks on the Indian parliament — which contributed to pushing India and Pakistan to the brink of war — were conducted by two Pakistan-based rebel groups, Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Muhammad, both of which are covertly supported by Pakistan’s ISI,” writes Michel Chossudovsky. “Needless to say, these ISI-supported terrorist attacks serve the geopolitical interests of the US. They not only contribute to weakening and fracturing the Indian Union, they also create conditions which favor the outbreak of a regional war between Pakistan and India.”
Jaish-e-Muhammad, the group now emerging in connection with the Times Square incident, was founded by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, the 9/11 bagman who delivered $100,000 from the United Arab Emirates to Mohammed Atta at the behest of General Mahmud Ahmed, then head of the ISI. Mahmud Ahmed, the man who ordered Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh to bankroll the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, was meeting with Republican Congressman Porter Goss and Democratic Senator Bob Graham in Washington DC on the morning of 9/11. In the days before and after the attack, Ahmed also met with CIA Head George Tenet as well as current Vice-President Joe Biden, then Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
In a report on Jaish-e-Muhammad’s involvement in the murder of Daniel Pearl, who was investigating the ISI, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported that the Pakistani government, “Believe that Saeed Sheikh’s power comes not from the ISI, but from his connections with our own CIA.”
Former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf also alleged that Sheikh was recruited by MI6 while studying in London for the effort to destabilize Bosnia. During the 1992-1995 Bosnia conflict, the CIA helped Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda to train and arm Bosnian Muslims.
In 2002, the London Times reported that Sheikh “is no ordinary terrorist but a man who has connections that reach high into Pakistan’s military and intelligence elite and into the innermost circles of Osama Bin Laden and the al-Qaeda organization.”
Despite Sheikh’s intimate involvement in numerous acts of terror as well as political kidnappings, including the 2008 Mumbai massacre, he was protected by both the CIA and British intelligence at every turn.
To recap, this is the man who founded the group now emerging in connection with the botched Times Square bombing – a CIA and MI6 asset.
“Experts believe Jaish-e-Muhammad still benefits from links with Pakistan’s powerful government intelligence community. Some experts believe Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency facilitated the group’s formation,” states yesterday’s L.A. Times article.
As the vast majority of geopolitical analysts concur, the Pakistani ISI is virtually nothing more than a CIA outpost. The ISI does nothing without the Agency giving its approval. The CIA has paid millions of dollars to the ISI since 9/11, accounting for no less than a third of the ISI’s entire budget, despite the foreign spy agency’s notorious history of funding and arming terrorist groups like Jaish-e-Muhammad and despite the fact that it bankrolled the 9/11 hijackers.
Since the CIA has its fingerprints all over almost every Middle Eastern terror group, it’s unsurprising that an Agency connection to the Times Square bomber has come to light. We’ve never come across a terrorist who wasn’t trained, equipped, radicalized, entrapped, or provocateured by a western intelligence agency or a terror group controlled by a western intelligence agency.”
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