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bobdina
12-03-2009, 10:23 AM
Gates Explains July 2011 Milestone at Senate Hearing

By John J. Kruzel
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Dec. 2, 2009 – Setting July 2011 for the beginning of a U.S. drawdown in Afghanistan was intended for two primary audiences: the Afghan government in Kabul and war-weary Americans, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said here today.

Speaking to the Senate Armed Services Committee about the new strategy for Afghanistan, Gates said the 18-month deadline signals the need for Kabul to claim greater responsibility and shows the American public the war isn’t open-ended.

“I think that there are at least two principal audiences,” Gates said of the July 2011 date announcement. “One audience [is] the Afghan government, [which] must accept responsibility in terms of their own governance, in terms of their own security forces, in terms of accepting their responsibility and … taking ownership of this conflict on their own soil, that it's not just going to be fought by foreigners on their behalf.

“I think the other audience,” he continued, “is the American people, who are weary after eight years of war, and to let them know this isn't going to go on for another 10 years.”

Though any reduction in U.S. forces in July 2011 would be based on conditions on the ground, the Defense Department expects to be able to transition uncontested areas to Afghan responsibility and gradually draw down at that time, Gates told the senators.

In a speech yesterday, Obama announced a strategy for Afghanistan that entails adding 30,000 more troops by summer, but also points to July 2011 as the date when the United States begins transferring security responsibilities to the Afghan forces and withdrawing its troops.

The July 2011 date was chosen because it will be two years after Marines arrived in Helmand province from an earlier increase in forces, Gates said. But in his appearance today alongside Navy Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gates suggested that the July 2011 marker for withdrawal is a target date, and not a binding commitment.

“It will be based on conditions on the ground,” Gates told senators. “But by the same token, we want to communicate to the Afghans that this is not an open-ended commitment on the part of the American people and our allies around the world.

“We have to build a fire under them, frankly,” he added, “to get them to do the kind of recruitment, retention, training and so on for their forces that allow us to make this transition.”

The additional 30,000 troops will bring the total number of U.S. forces to nearly 100,000, a deployment which is expected to include a brigade-sized element to train Afghan forces -- a key component undergirding the transfer of responsibility to Afghanistan to begin in July 2011.

Gates and Mullen told the committee that the Afghan military is slated to increase from 134,000 troops in December 2010 to 170,000 by July 2011. Both men declined to provide specifics on the number, timing and pace of the U.S. drawdown, with Gates saying that any reduction in U.S. forces would be considered in an assessment slated for December 2010.

“The president has indicated that we will have a thorough review of how we're doing in December of 2010, and I think we will be in a position then to evaluate whether or not we can begin that transition in July,” Gates said. “If it appears that the strategy's not working and that we are not going to be able to transition in 2011, then we will take a hard look at the strategy itself.”

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GTFPDQ
12-03-2009, 12:41 PM
I dont care what Gates said, what my interpretation was, is that the US will declare victory in Afghanistan on or about the 11th of July 2011 and pull out.

This will have an effect on the coalition. Dont get me wrong, the US is carrying the major burden, they have the right to set limits. I just hope they dont limit themselves in the fight.

nastyleg
12-03-2009, 02:38 PM
In order to draw down these kinda of numbers that means that as soon as the first leg of troops get there the draw down will begin. I know it does not make sense at first but if you think about it. There will be less admin people and more combat and combat support elements in country. The garrison will start to go but the FOB's and COB's will be there.

What I am trying to say is that they will start to trim the fat as it were. Look how long it has taken us to do the draw down in Iraq. Afghanistan is a logistical nightmare and will take longer than Iraq.

bobdina
12-03-2009, 03:18 PM
I agree with both of ya'll(Texas twang for some reason). When announcing the surge there's 2 reasons you don't announce when you will begin pulling them out(if the ground position allows it) The first is the smart enemies will just regroup and train somewhere in Pakistan or Somalia and wait things out, the second reason -what if you can't pull them out a la Gitmo.His advisers I would hope warned him about missing 2 major deadlines in one year ,the last coming in an election year would really put a nail in his shoe and be quite uncomfortable. And the 3rd (forgot this one in the beginning) Troop morale. Who wants to be in that last rotation knowing your President is pulling out forces but there you are in a combat zone with no support from your Commandeer In chief. It should have been handled like the last surge(which worked by the way) President makes an announcement about an increase in troops and says we have no firm deadline for withdrawing from Iraq. (not just the surge but everyone) Clerics realized we were not going anywhere switched sides and look what happened. We killed truckloads of shit heads, a whole lotta of them switched sides after realizing Al_Quaeda wasn't the right way and dare I say it, we can leave know and it still would be 100 times better then it was when we went in.