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nastyleg
10-19-2009, 03:21 AM
White House casts doubt on Afghan reliability
(October 18th, 2009 @ 11:24am)

By ROBERT BURNS
AP National Security Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama will not commit more U.S. troops to Afghanistan until he is convinced that the central government can be a credible and effective U.S. partner, a senior White House aide said Sunday.

But it was unclear whether Obama intends to accept the recommendation by the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, for thousands more American troops and other resources in the 8-year-struggle to stabilize Afghanistan.

The central question before Obama, chief of staff Rahm Emanuel said, is "not how much troops you have, but whether in fact there's an Afghan partner."

The issue of developing an effective Afghan central government has dogged the U.S. mission virtually from the war's start after the attacks against the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001. It gained new urgency after an Aug. 20 presidential election marred by charges of ballot-stuffing and voter coercion.

An election fraud investigation could lead to a runoff election between President Hamid Karzai and his top challenger, former Foreign Minister Abdullah Abdullah.

A second round of balloting would have to be held before winter, which traditionally begins in mid-November. Once heavy snows block mountain passes, thereby limiting voter access to polling places, a runoff would have to wait until spring, leaving the country in political limbo for months as the Taliban gains strength.

Adding to the uncertainty is the prospect of Karzai's not accepting an outcome requiring a runoff.

"For the moment we are worried ... because it seems that not everybody is ready to accept the results," French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner told reporters Sunday in Kabul, the Afghan capital. "They must accept the results."

The weakness of the Afghan government has undermined the U.S. and NATO military mission in several respects. It has created disillusionment among ordinary Afghans who then turn to the Taliban militants for security and other services. That has been an important factor in the Taliban's resurgence over the past four years.

In Sunday talk show interviews, Emanuel did not answer directly when asked whether Obama would wait for a final election outcome before deciding U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan. He repeatedly underlined doubts about the Kabul government as a reliable partner for the U.S.

"There's not a security force, an army, the type of services that are important for the Afghans to become true partners," Emanuel said. "It would be reckless to make a decision on U.S. troop level if, in fact, you haven't done a thorough analysis of whether, in fact, there's an Afghan partner ready to fill that space that the U.S. troops would create and become a true partner in governing."

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman, who visited Kabul over the weekend, said Obama should wait until the election cloud has lifted.

"I don't see how President Obama can make a decision about the committing of our additional forces or even the further fulfillment of our mission that's here today without an adequate government in place or knowledge about what that government's going to be," said Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.

Critics, including some Republicans in Congress, have blasted Obama for undertaking a lengthy review.

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said Obama may be emboldening U.S. enemies.

"At some point, deliberation begins to look more like indecisiveness, which then becomes a way of emboldening our enemies," Cornyn said, "and causing our allies to question our resolve."

Emanuel provided no timeline for Obama to finish his Afghan review, which began in September. He said additional strategy sessions with the president's senior national security aides would be held over the next two weeks.

A leading figure in that review, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, headed to Asia and Europe on Sunday for talks that are expected to include a plea for NATO partners and Asian allies to continue contributing to the Afghan effort.

Kerry said a successful U.S. and NATO mission depends as much on the effectiveness of the Afghan government and the sufficiency of international civilian support as it does on the size of the U.S. military presence.

"It would be very hard, I think, for the president to make a commitment to `X' number of troops, whatever it might be, or to a new strategy, without knowing that all of the components of the strategy are indeed capable of being achieved," Kerry said, adding that the political and civilian components must be assured.

"And I'm not yet convinced that we're there," he said.

On the specifics of U.S. military strategy in Afghanistan, Kerry said he is convinced that narrowing the mission to a hunt for al-Qaida and other terrorists would be wrong. The counterterrorism effort must be part of a larger military mission that targets Taliban and other insurgent groups with conventional ground forces, he said.

Kerry and Emanuel were on CNN's "State of the Union" and CBS' "Face the Nation." Cornyn appeared on CBS.

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nastyleg
10-19-2009, 03:30 AM
Does Obama not read the daily reports from the field? Does he not see the writing on the wall? Does Obama take advise on military stratagy from Jonh Kary(mizpelled cuse I wuz stuk in Irak an' culd not get me en edukatun from them thar coledges)? If the opposition leader in the running for Afghanistan's presidency is calling for more US troops what on God's green(soon to be brown according to Al Gore) Earth is he thinking?!?

Reactor-Axe-Man
10-19-2009, 03:51 AM
This is his out. A dysfunctional government (really? in a third world shithole, a dysfunctional government? get out!) gives him the excuse he needs to bail. I'm surprised it took so long for his flunkies to come up with it, personally.

GTFPDQ
10-19-2009, 11:13 AM
In this instance, Id like to disagree with Axe-Man, but I cant. I think that Obama is looking for a way out, and this is an opportunity he cant miss.

ghost
10-19-2009, 12:25 PM
This is his out. A dysfunctional government (really? in a third world shithole, a dysfunctional government? get out!) gives him the excuse he needs to bail. I'm surprised it took so long for his flunkies to come up with it, personally.


Yup. And they say that we need to wait until the elections are over, before we send more troops. The government there isn't going to be any less corrupt after that happens...

The government wasn't even fully functional at the time of the Iraq troop surge....

nastyleg
10-19-2009, 11:05 PM
Yup. And they say that we need to wait until the elections are over, before we send more troops. The government there isn't going to be any less corrupt after that happens...

The government wasn't even fully functional at the time of the Iraq troop surge....

Thats beside the point Barack said the surge would not work oh wait it did huh. LOL

acf6
10-20-2009, 01:03 AM
Obama has no clue!

GTFPDQ
10-20-2009, 10:16 AM
Im starting to think that Obama has am inner circle of advisors who deal in the paranormal/supernatural. He must be getting some of these "fantastic" ideas from some one. Cause he aint get them from the experts.