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Cruelbreed
07-26-2009, 10:27 PM
Soldiers in Colorado slayings tell of Iraq horrors

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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. – Soldiers from an Army unit that had 10 infantrymen accused of murder, attempted murder or manslaughter after returning to civilian life described a breakdown in discipline during their Iraq deployment in which troops murdered civilians, a newspaper reported Sunday.
Some Fort Carson, Colo.-based soldiers have had trouble adjusting to life back in the United States, saying they refused to seek help, or were belittled or punished for seeking help. Others say they were ignored by their commanders, or coped through drug and alcohol abuse before they allegedly committed crimes, The Gazette of Colorado Springs said.
The Gazette based its report on months of interviews with soldiers and their families, medical and military records, court documents and photographs.
Several soldiers said unit discipline deteriorated while in Iraq.
"Toward the end, we were so mad and tired and frustrated," said Daniel Freeman. "You came too close, we lit you up. You didn't stop, we ran your car over with the Bradley," an armored fighting vehicle.
With each roadside bombing, soldiers would fire in all directions "and just light the whole area up," said Anthony Marquez, a friend of Freeman in the 1st Battalion, 9th Infantry Regiment. "If anyone was around, that was their fault. We smoked 'em."
Taxi drivers got shot for no reason, and others were dropped off bridges after interrogations, said Marcus Mifflin, who was eventually discharged with post traumatic stress syndrome.
"You didn't get blamed unless someone could be absolutely sure you did something wrong," he said
Soldiers interviewed by The Gazette cited lengthy deployments, being sent back into battle after surviving war injuries that would have been fatal in previous conflicts, and engaging in some of the bloodiest combat in Iraq. The soldiers describing those experiences were part of the 3,500-soldier unit now called the 4th Infantry Division's 4th Brigade Combat Team.
Since 2005, some brigade soldiers also have been involved in brawls, beatings, rapes, DUIs, drug deals, domestic violence, shootings, stabbings, kidnapping and suicides.
The unit was deployed for a year to Iraq's Sunni Triangle in September 2004. Sixty-four unit soldiers were killed and more than 400 wounded — about double the average for Army brigades in Iraq, according to Fort Carson. In 2007, the unit served a bloody 15-month mission in Baghdad. It's currently deployed to the Khyber Pass region in Afghanistan.
Marquez was the first in his brigade to kill someone after an Iraq tour. In 2006, he used a stun gun to shock a drug dealer in Widefield, Colo., in a dispute over a marijuana sale, then shot and killed him.
Marquez's mother, Teresa Hernandez, warned Marquez's sergeant at Fort Carson her son was showing signs of violent behavior, abusing alcohol and pain pills and carrying a gun. "I told them he was a walking time bomb," she said.
Hernandez said the sergeant later taunted Marquez about her phone call.
"If I was just a guy off the street, I might have hesitated to shoot," Marquez told The Gazette in the Bent County Correctional Facility, where he is serving a 30-year prison term. "But after Iraq, it was just natural."
The Army trains soldiers to be that way, said Kenneth Eastridge, an infantry specialist serving 10 years for accessory to murder.
"The Army pounds it into your head until it is instinct: Kill everybody, kill everybody," he said. "And you do. Then they just think you can just come home and turn it off."
Both soldiers were wounded, sent back into action and saw friends and officers killed in their first deployment. On numerous occasions, explosions shredded the bodies of civilians, others were slain in sectarian violence — and the unit had to bag the bodies.
"Guys with drill bits in their eyes," Eastridge said. "Guys with nails in their heads."
Last week, the Army released a study of soldiers at Fort Carson that found that the trauma of fierce combat and soldier refusals or obstacles to seeking mental health care may have helped drive some to violence at home. It said more study is needed.
While most unit soldiers coped post-deployment, a handful went on to kill back home in Colorado.
Many returning soldiers did seek counseling.
"We're used to seeing people who are depressed and want to hurt themselves. We're trained to deal with that," said Davida Hoffman, director of the privately operated First Choice Counseling Center in Colorado Springs. "But these soldiers were depressed and saying, 'I've got this anger, I want to hurt somebody.' We weren't accustomed to that."
At Fort Carson, Eastridge and other soldiers said they lied during an army screening about their deployment that was designed to detect potential behavioral problems.
Sergeants sometimes refused to let soldiers get PTSD help or taunted them, said Andrew Pogany, a former Fort Carson special forces sergeant who investigates complaints for the advocacy group Veterans for America.
Soldier John Needham described a number of alleged crimes in a December 2007 letter to the Inspector General's Office of Fort Carson. In the letter, obtained by The Gazette, Needham said that a sergeant shot a boy riding a bicycle down the street for no reason.
Another sergeant shot a man in the head while questioning him, lashed the man's body to his Humvee and drove around the neighborhood. Needham also claimed sergeants removed victims' brains.
The Army's criminal investigation division interviewed unit soldiers and said it couldn't substantiate the allegations.
The Army has declared soldiers' mental health a top priority.
"When we see a problem, we try to identify it and really learn what we can do about it. That is what we are trying to do here," said Maj. Gen. Mark Graham, Fort Carson's commander. "There is a culture and a stigma that needs to change."
Fort Carson officers are trained to help troops showing stress signs, and the base has doubled its number of behavioral-health counselors. Soldiers seeing an Army doctor for any reason undergo a mental health evaluation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090727/ap_on_re_us/us_soldier_slayings

ghost
07-26-2009, 10:32 PM
Damn. That's some crazy shit.

What can be done to prevent this kind of stuff, though. Seems like a very important issue. Are there rehab programs that can help troops readjust after they come back home?

bobdina
07-26-2009, 10:43 PM
Report: Accused GIs were ‘at risk’

By Michelle Tan - Staff writer
Posted : Sunday Jul 26, 2009 17:53:34 EDT

Intense combat experiences, prior criminal behavior, substance abuse and barriers to seeking mental health care all contributed to a “cluster” of murders or attempted murders allegedly committed by soldiers from the same Fort Carson, Colo., brigade, Army leaders said July 15.

Fourteen soldiers are accused of murder, attempted murder or accessory to murder in separate attacks between Jan. 1, 2005, and Oct. 30, 2008. In all, the soldiers are accused of killing 11 people. Ten of the 14 soldiers are from 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division. Six of the 14 belonged to the same infantry battalion.

“We would all like to look back at the cluster of misconduct and criminal activities ... and be able to say, ‘This is the reason they happened, and we know exactly what could have been done to prevent them,’ ” said Lt. Gen. Eric Schoomaker, the Army surgeon general. “But that’s rarely the way things work when dealing with human behavior.”

Instead, a team of experts from Army Medical Command found the accused soldiers were “at risk for engaging in violent behavior” based on known risk factors such as prior criminal behavior and psychopathology, according to the team’s report, released July 15.

“The risk factors alone, however, do not entirely explain the apparent clustering of crime in this population,” according to the report. “These crimes remain very rare events in a large population of soldiers, who, to varying degrees, share many of the same risk factors but did not participate in criminal behavior.”

More research is needed to determine the link between exposure to combat and aggressive behavior, Schoomaker said.

Also ongoing is a review of violent crimes, said Lt. Gen. Michael Rochelle, the Army G-1. The Armywide review, directed by Army Secretary Pete Geren, was based upon recommendations in the Fort Carson study, Rochelle said.

Between 2004 and 2008, 2,726 of the Army’s 1.1 million soldiers were identified as being involved in a violent crime, Rochelle said.

The wider review, which will be expanded, found that enlistment waivers and deployments to Iraq or Afghanistan were not a disproportionate factor in the commission of violent crimes, he said.

For example, only about 11.4 percent of those 2,726 soldiers enlisted with a medical or conduct waiver, and 65 percent in that group had never deployed to combat, Rochelle said.

The Fort Carson study was requested by Maj. Gen. Mark Graham, the commanding general there, who said he wanted to study the trends behind the violent crimes but also identify risk factors, assess programs offered on post and develop ways to better serve soldiers.

The team also looked at issues soldiers have faced with stigma and getting behavioral health care.

Some soldiers told the experts conducting the study that they didn’t seek behavioral health care because they didn’t want to be viewed as a bad soldier, were afraid they would be belittled by peers or leaders, or negatively affect their careers, according to the report.

Soldiers also reported that their leaders announced behavioral health appointments during unit formations and discussed behavioral health issues within earshot of others, according to the report.

No disciplinary action has been taken against those unit leaders, said Lt. Col. Christopher Garver, an Army spokesman.

However, senior leaders are looking at possible ways to reflect such behavior in officer or noncommissioned officer evaluations, he said.

“The Army’s stand is, it’s a sign of strength, not weakness, to reach out for help for yourself or to escort your battle buddy to care,” Graham said.

http://armytimes.com/news/2009/07/army_carson_072609w/

bobdina
07-26-2009, 10:46 PM
Damn. That's some crazy shit.

What can be done to prevent this kind of stuff, though. Seems like a very important issue. Are there rehab programs that can help troops readjust after they come back home?

Yes there are , but you still have a lot of guy's with the I'm a pussy if I want help.

ghost
07-26-2009, 11:16 PM
Yes there are , but you still have a lot of guy's with the I'm a pussy if I want help.


Yeah. I can understand why they'd think that.

Outlaw2-5
07-26-2009, 11:30 PM
I think highly of soldiers who have the guts to get help when they know they need it and could care less what others think. not everyone is the same.

nastyleg
07-27-2009, 04:56 PM
This is another example of leadership failure and bad soldiering. These soldiers need help to deal with the stress but they also need to own thier actions instead of blaming others. I was deployed both as a MP and Infantry. The Army trains you to defend yourself in a hostile enviroment not to kill at random. These people need to get that straight. Once again they need to own thier actions.

bobdina
07-27-2009, 05:04 PM
This is another example of leadership failure and bad soldiering. These soldiers need help to deal with the stress but they also need to own thier actions instead of blaming others. I was deployed both as a MP and Infantry. The Army trains you to defend yourself in a hostile enviroment not to kill at random. These people need to get that straight. Once again they need to own thier actions.

Well said my man.

nastyleg
07-27-2009, 05:13 PM
Thanks bob but it is this type of shit that chaps my ass