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Cruelbreed
06-29-2009, 10:13 PM
Chavez is saying this is the fault of the United States and that OBAMA is to blame. Chavez is even threatening of invading Honduras! Below is an article that talks a little about the coup and U.S. policy.


June 30, 2009
In a Coup in Honduras, Ghosts of Past U.S. Policies

By HELENE COOPER (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/helene_cooper/index.html?inline=nyt-per) and MARC LACEY (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/marc_lacey/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
WASHINGTON — President Obama (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-per) on Monday strongly condemned the ouster of Honduras (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/honduras/index.html?inline=nyt-geo)’s president as an illegal coup that set a “terrible precedent” for the region, as the country’s new government defied international calls to return the toppled president to power and clashed with thousands of protesters in the streets.
“We do not want to go back to a dark past,” Mr. Obama said, in which military coups override elections. “We always want to stand with democracy,” he added.
The crisis in Honduras, where members of the country’s military abruptly awakened President Manuel Zelaya (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/z/jose_manuel_zelaya/index.html?inline=nyt-per) on Sunday and forced him out of the country in his bedclothes, is pitting Mr. Obama against the ghosts of past American foreign policy in Latin America.
The United States has a history of backing rival political factions and instigating coups in the region, and administration officials have found themselves on the defensive in recent days, dismissing repeated allegations by President Hugo Chávez (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/hugo_chavez/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of Venezuela that the C.I.A. (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/central_intelligence_agency/index.html?inline=nyt-org) may have had a hand in the president’s removal.
The United States has long had strong ties to the Honduras military. While Obama administration officials said that they were surprised by the coup on Sunday, they said they had been working for several weeks to try to head off a political crisis in Honduras as the confrontation between Mr. Zelaya and the military over his efforts to lift presidential term limits escalated.
The American military helps train Honduran military forces, and those close ties have put the Obama administration in a difficult position, opening it up to accusations that it may have turned a blind eye to the pending coup. Administration officials strongly deny the charges, and Mr. Obama’s quick response to the Honduran president’s removal has differed sharply from the actions of the Bush administration, which in 2002 offered a rapid, tacit endorsement of a short-lived coup against Mr. Chávez.
On June 2, Obama administration officials got a first-hand look at the brewing political battle when Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/hillary_rodham_clinton/index.html?inline=nyt-per) traveled to Honduras for an Organization of American States (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/o/organization_of_american_states/index.html?inline=nyt-org) conference. Mrs. Clinton met with Mr. Zelaya, and he reportedly annoyed her when he summoned her to a private room late in the night after her arrival and had her shake hands with his extended family.
During a more formal meeting afterward, they discussed Mr. Zelaya’s plans for a referendum that would have laid the groundwork for an assembly to remake the Constitution, a senior administration official said. But American officials did not believe that Mr. Zelaya’s plans for the referendum were in line with the Constitution, and were worried that it would further inflame tensions with the military and other political factions, administration officials said.
Even so, one administration official said that while the United States thought the referendum was a bad idea, it did not justify a coup.
“On the one instance, we’re talking about conducting a survey, a nonbinding survey, in the other instance, we’re talking about the forcible removal of a president from a country,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity during a teleconference call with reporters.
As the situation worsened, Assistant Secretary of State Thomas A. Shannon Jr., along with Hugo Llorens, the American ambassador to Honduras, spoke with Mr. Zelaya, military officials and opposition leaders, administration officials said. Then things reached a boil last Wednesday and Thursday, when Mr. Zelaya fired the leader of the armed forces and the Supreme Court followed up with a declaration that Mr. Zelaya’s planned referendum was illegal.
The White House and the State Department had Mr. Llorens, “talk with the parties involved, to tell them, ‘You have to talk your way through this,’ ” a senior administration official said Monday. “You can’t do anything outside the bounds of your constitution.”
Still, administration officials said they did not expect that the military would go so far as to carry out a coup. “There was talk of how they might remove the president from office, how he could be arrested, on whose authority they could do that,” the administration official said. But the official said that the speculation had focused on legal maneuvers to remove the president, not a coup.
Whether Mr. Zelaya merited removal remains a strong point of debate in Honduras. Fierce clashes erupted Monday between thousands of soldiers and thousands of Mr. Zelaya’s backers. The protesters blocked streets, set fires and hurled stones at the soldiers, who fired tear gas in response. But opponents of Mr. Zelaya said they intended to rally Tuesday in support of his ouster.
On the diplomatic front, three of the country’s neighbors — Guatemala, El Salvador and Nicaragua — said they would halt commerce along their borders for 48 hours.
Beyond that, Venezuela and some of its allies, including Ecuador, Bolivia, Nicaragua and Cuba, said they were withdrawing their ambassadors from Honduras in an effort to isolate the new government. Brazil also said it had ordered its ambassador to Honduras not to return to the country until further notice.
In the face of criticism from across the hemisphere, the new government hunkered down in Mr. Zelaya’s old office, ringed by soldiers and defending its actions as a bid to save the country’s democracy, not undermine it.
Roberto Micheletti, the veteran congressional leader who was sworn in by his fellow lawmakers on Sunday to replace Mr. Zelaya, seemed to plead with the world to understand that Mr. Zelaya’s arrest by the army had been under an official arrest warrant based on the leader’s flouting of the Constitution.
“We respect the whole world, and we only ask that they respect us and leave us in peace,” Mr. Micheletti said in a radio interview, noting that previously scheduled elections called for November would go on as planned.
Mr. Zelaya vowed to return to the country as early as today, but that did not happen and the standoff between the opposing political forces was so fierce that the new government said that Mr. Zelaya would be arrested if he set foot on Honduran soil.
“He’s the former president of Honduras now,” said Ramón Abad Custodio, the president of the National Commission of Human Rights, who defends the replacement of Mr. Zelaya as constitutional. “He may feel like he’s still president, but he’s a common citizen now.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/world/americas/30honduras.html?ref=global-home

chriss
06-30-2009, 11:25 AM
Mr. Chavez is the dumbest leader existing today
I can see it on his face

Cruelbreed
06-30-2009, 03:25 PM
Mr. Chavez is the dumbest leader existing today
I can see it on his face

signed. XD

Crashingwater
06-30-2009, 06:29 PM
Is there anything that isnt the U.S.'s fault? I mean the regime in Iran sponsors events in which death to america is chanted by the thousands, we are called the great satan. Can it get any worse than that. We are the "other", a convenient outlet for dictators to pin all the blame on, an easy target for everyone to put all their anxiety, frustation, and failure on. It really is 1984-esque, the two minute hate these states force their people to participate in.

chriss
07-01-2009, 10:33 AM
Is there anything that isnt the U.S.'s fault? I mean the regime in Iran sponsors events in which death to america is chanted by the thousands, we are called the great satan. Can it get any worse than that. We are the "other", a convenient outlet for dictators to pin all the blame on, an easy target for everyone to put all their anxiety, frustation, and failure on. It really is 1984-esque, the two minute hate these states force their people to participate in.

I gues its hard for a lot of people to accept that we own

Cruelbreed
07-01-2009, 01:08 PM
The world just doesn't like the guy who tries to police. If you're going to fault the U.S. at least have some credibility and don't look like a fool uttering random verses.