Presidential debates

[gazzthompson]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19791450

http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012/10/first-presidential-debate-tonight-from-the-university-of-denver/

I wont be able to watch it live, Work in the morning and all. Looking forward to watching it though. Any predictions?

[BrendenF11]

I predict each canidate will say a whole bunch of BS that goes hand in hand with their party lines, make a bunch of promises, and not go through with anything this they say or things they say they will do during these debates. Hopefully they get real dirty with each other (get your minds out of the gutters) and go at it like a couple of wild dogs, then it might be worth watching.

[MickDonalds]

One corporate, undeserving, fake looking asshole will debate with a celebrity, self-worshipping, undeserving asshole about how great they both are. And millions of stupid people will vote for one of the two, as opposed to using their brain and finding a 3rd candidate.

[mrfrosty]

i watched it on the Xbox 360 dashboard
they had live polling and Obama basically beat Romney on every single poll by a landslide.

the biggest problem Romney has is that he never gives details on what his plans are, he just says im going to take care of it when I get elected.

"im not going to repeal it, im going to replace it."

replace it with what exactly?
he never gives details.

[Rick32]

You could tell Obama had not debated anyone since McCain. Romney was direct, looked at Obama as he questioned him and was clearly prepared. Besides his silly eye roll and interrupting the moderator which wife thought was rude, he didn't seem to make many mistakes. Round one goes to Romney.

[jamieooh]

was the live polling xbox 360 users ?

[coltsfan2007]

Thought Romney did a good job. A few times Obama appeared to be getting upset, a lot of blinking and jaw gnashing from Obama.

Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future.
- John F. Kennedy - :USA:

[eaglethebeagle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_YqnS7m9tA&feature=player_embedded

Tweet from Dennis Miller: Romney keeps this up Obama's gonna vote for him.


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obama got smoked like the taliban trying to outrun a hellfire...it was even better than I ever expected.

[eaglethebeagle]

was the live polling xbox 360 users ?


i actually registered my son on the xbox360 and we did their poll for who we would vote for president and it was like 68% Romney over 200,000 votes. So I think frosty is trying to swing perception like the liberal media. Its all they can do right now as obama is all alone and no one can fix all that stupid.


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[MadeInRu]

Dutch media reports that Obama got owned in the first round.

[eaglethebeagle]

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http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/04/carville-mitt-romney-came-with-a-chainsaw/


Add CNN’s James Carville to the list of Democrats questioning President Barack Obama’s performance against Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romneyhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/04/carville-mitt-romney-came-with-a-chainsaw/#) on Wednesday.
In CNN’s wrap-up of its debate coverage, Carville, a campaign adviser to former President Bill Clintonhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/04/carville-mitt-romney-came-with-a-chainsaw/#), gave Obama’s campaign high marks but added that Obama probably didn’t go by the playbook his campaign wanted him to.
“Let’s be real,” Carville said. “They have run a very good campaign thus far. I don’t think that President Obama did what this campaign wanted him to do. I think he was off his game tonight. But let’s don’t go overboard here. It will be like a big sort of pushback. … My point is this — President Obama came in, he wanted to have a conversation. It takes two people to have a conversation. Mitt Romneyhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/04/carville-mitt-romney-came-with-a-chainsaw/#) came in with a chainsaw. He’s trying to talk to a chainsaw.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/03/obama_on_jobs_you_may_want_to_move_on_to_another_t opic.html




VAN JONES: ‘ROMNEY WAS ABLE TO OUT-OBAMA OBAMA’ IN DEBATE
Posted on October 4, 2012 at 1:42am

If President Barack Obama was somehow holding onto one last shred of hope that he came out on top after Wednesday night’s debate, his former green jobs czar Van Jones put the issue to bed, saying “Romney was able to out-Obama Obama.”

Jones, who is as pro-Obama as it gets, said on CNN that the president seemed unprepared for the debate against Romney.

“I think he took Romney too lightly. I think he did not expect Romney to be able to throw that kind of heat,” he said.

Jones added: “Romney was able to ‘out-Obama’ Obama. On the connection piece, on the authenticity piece, on the being able to tell the story.”

Jones also criticized the Obama campaign for its laid back “town hall” debate strategy, which set the president up for “failure.”

To be sure, Jones’s position is not different from hardly any other political pundit on either side of the isle. A CNN poll found that only 25 percent of registered voters thought Obama won the debate while 67 percent said Romney outdid the president.

[gazzthompson]

Even my more liberal sources are claiming a Romney victory. Looking forward to watching it now. Sounds interesting

[MrFibbles]

One corporate, undeserving, fake looking asshole will debate with a celebrity, self-worshipping, undeserving asshole about how great they both are. And millions of stupid people will vote for one of the two, as opposed to using their brain and finding a 3rd candidate.

Your opinion has circulated through half of America by now, it is true. I don't trust either candidate, but evaluation comes into hand.

"Sometimes if you want gold and it's covered in dog shit, you have to dig it out and it becomes valuable" -Obama

Romney is the kind of fellow that is tricky and fake looking, maybe that is a good thing though. At least, we can predict him some... but Obama is the one you have to worry about... given he is like Fools Gold and people just keep investing it.

[MickDonalds]

Your opinion has circulated through half of America by now, it is true. I don't trust either candidate, but evaluation comes into hand.

"Sometimes if you want gold and it's covered in dog shit, you have to dig it out and it becomes valuable" -Obama

Romney is the kind of fellow that is tricky and fake looking, maybe that is a good thing though. At least, we can predict him some... but Obama is the one you have to worry about... given he is like Fools Gold and people just keep investing it.

Voting for Romney isn't the answer. Even if it's an unfortunate answer. Keeping the status quo is what we don't need to do in this country.

[eaglethebeagle]

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[coltsfan2007]

Chris Matthews seems a little aggravated........Dennis Miller cracks me up-Romney keeps this up Obama's gonna vote for him. Can't wait till next week to hear Biden finish sinking the Obama legacy..................HAHAHA!

[eaglethebeagle]

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[coltsfan2007]

Did anyone notice how Mitt's flag lapel on his jacket was much bigger than Obama's.....even my son made a comment on it last night and he is only 15.

[HooterBro]

It's pretty obvious that Romney simply destroyed Obama. The first thing my 18 year old son said, and he doesn't watch a lot of this but is super interested in this one, was, "Obama looks like he's looking around for a teleprompter that isn't there and he's mad it isn't."

Pretty accurate observation.

I very much look forward to the VP debate coming up. Biden is probably in constant training for it as of last night.

Obama, to me, is clearly trying to destroy this Nation and align the U.S. with the U.N.'s goal of a one world government. I think Obama IS a Muslim and that he has, on many occasions, made comments and decisions based off of his islamic faith. This country was founded on Christian principles and survives when run by people who share those beliefs or, at least, respects them.

[mrfrosty]

i actually registered my son on the xbox360 and we did their poll for who we would vote for president and it was like 68% Romney over 200,000 votes. So I think frosty is trying to swing perception like the liberal media. Its all they can do right now as obama is all alone and no one can fix all that stupid.


12999

Eagle I was referring to the numbers during the live poll!
during the debate streamed on the 360, questions popped up randomly and then the stats showed afterwards
you must have taken the daily polls, those numers are different every day (right now mitt is beating obama by 1% on the daily poll)
ohh yea and why the fuck would i try to "swing perception" about poll numbers?
during those polls most people clicked the answer "i have already decided who i want to vote for" when the debate started.
swinging perception about poll numbers is pointless

Im gonna watch the VP debate and this time im gonna take pics of the poll results from the actual debate.
ill post them on apacheclips so everyone can see how Gamers are gonna vote.
Ohh yea it goes by percentages and does not show the actual number of votes.
so i don't know where you got the number of 200K?

[mrfrosty]

was the live polling xbox 360 users ?

yes during the debate being streamed on the 360 questions popped up
some where random, others where about the subject they where on.


but they also have a "Daily poll" on the 360
and those numbers change everyday.

right now according to the poll gamers are basically split on
Immigration, global warming and who they would vote for...
the same sex marriage question is going up and down like crazy!

and it does not show how many people voted!

[jamieooh]

I hope that helps get teens interested in politics.

[MadeInRu]

I hope that helps get teens interested in politics.

Teens should be interested in School, sports and other things that important for their development.
Politics should be as further as possible from them.
IMHO

[mrfrosty]

I hope that helps get teens interested in politics.

well they are offering free Halo 4 Armor for your Avatar if you watch 3 of the 4 debates.
its just unfortunate because both candidates really did not talk about their policies.
Mitt Romney just said ill show you my plan when elected.

(the stream quality was shit, but at least there was only one tiny watermark that said "xbox live"
no annoying ass logos that take up half the screen.)

both cited sources that you cant really be sure are true.

http://www.politifact.com/
http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious-denver-debate-declarations/
fact checkers are busy.

[MrFibbles]

Voting for Romney isn't the answer. Even if it's an unfortunate answer. Keeping the status quo is what we don't need to do in this country.

That is exactly why we'll have Obama again. It's because no one will go up there and vote, I'd rather have a better President than Obama right now. At least Romney has a better plan, or if not anything won't demolish this nation and rebuild it like a dictator. Obama used a wrecking ball to fuck this country up more, but it's not going to take 4 years to rebuild. It's going to take 20 years... and with all of the people without jobs living on Government Funds, Businesses not hiring... it's a real Obamanation.

[eaglethebeagle]

Like I said it was a poll when we went to the registration portion of the vote page. It really isnt that surprising because there are plenty of sources exposing the liberal media has fudged the polling numbers. Lets just try to use logic and common sense to figure it out.

First would you say obama has more or less support than in 2008? That is easy he has lost support from many different groups. Notably the liberal hollywood elite that have come out against him. The Catholic church is now completely against him where they did have big fractions that supported him in 2008. His own black race has left him in the Christian democratic group.

So less support than 2008 he has not gained any new support from any groups that didnt already support him in 2008. So he has lost net total support.

Then you add in that not only has he lost support but that many if not most of those defectors are now going to vote Romney. That means votes not only that helped him in 2008 are gone but they are now against him. That is a double reduction in total votes for him.

So to understand that if he had 8 out of 10 votes in 2008 and then lost 3 votes out of 10 he then would be at 5 out of 10. Then the math kills him because those 3 out of 10 that left him are now going into the Romney voter pool.

That is a net 6 point change down for obama. It is catastrophic damage that even if he has picked up some young first time voters or some gay votes from those who sat out last election he cant make up that turn around of voter support.


The new big problem facing obama is that he got beat so badly in last nights debate as many will maybe watch the Ryan biden debate for the entertainment of watching biden get schooled worse than obama. Then many people if they haven't already will make up their minds as they will not spend another 2 hours watching these debates after such a terrible performance in this first
one.

So you can watch the libtards report their fairy tale poll reports but the common sense and truth will be exposed on Nov 6th.

[mrfrosty]

the Xbox poll and streaming of the debate was from an NBC app on the 360

Obama still has the woman, gay and minority votes
Romney has big business and religious vote.


Biden is supposedly responsible for shutting down Megaupload so hes a old Douche,
Paul Ryan has already been shown to be a big f'n liar, he also co-sponsored a bill that tried to introduce "forcible rape".

at least there's no Palin!

[eaglethebeagle]

the Xbox poll and streaming of the debate was from an NBC app on the 360

Obama still has the woman, gay and minority votes
Romney has big business and religious vote.


Biden is supposedly responsible for shutting down Megaupload so hes a old Douche,
Paul Ryan has already been shown to be a big f'n liar, he also co-sponsored a bill that tried to introduce "forcible rape".

at least there's no Palin!

You didnt pay attention well in school did you Mr Frosty? ADHD much?

[eaglethebeagle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkIO7mNwi4o&feature=player_embedded



obama is getting raped from every direction possible right now.

[coltsfan2007]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1aa_1349387428
Obama Romney presidential debate 2012: The first of three matchups
between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney was held in Colorado last night.


Romney handily trounced his opponent on the issues of jobs, the economy
and taxes.

To Obama's Democratic supporters, it looked as though the
president didn't even want to be there.

[coltsfan2007]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=adb_1224172367

This is the idiot that will be debating next week. For you that are voting for Obama, hope he don't die then we will really be fucked!

[mrfrosty]

You didnt pay attention well in school did you Mr Frosty? ADHD much?


well at least im not posting quotes by that Jackass Ben Stein
all he did was go on tv complaining that Evolution doesn't explain gravity and thermodynamics.


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it heepld me uanrtsdend why popele bileeve in wlid ccnsropiay troheies, and ncotie the sgnis of gorup poozaairltin.

(did i just blow ur mind?)

[BrendenF11]

+9
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=adb_1224172367

This is the idiot that will be debating next week. For you that are voting for Obama, hope he don't die then we will really be fucked!


That's why I could not have voted for McCain in the last election, (Palin, really????). So then I made a mistake and voted for Obama, I thought it was a good idea at the time, ie voting for the lesser evil. I was completely wrong, why was I wrong? They are different parties, that means when you elect the canidate they will be different than the last. Look at the last 20 years, more important look at the last 10 years.

They really are the EXACT same thing, the only difference is wording and specific social policies that the money will fall into. Government spending will continue to increase, and the United States citizens will continue to suffer.

[coltsfan2007]

Nope, I read it fine, MR.Frosty.

[coltsfan2007]

Good point Brenden, but I think McCain would have been much better for us because we know without a doubt he truly loves HIS country and we had two conflicts going on and I believe he would have been a better choice to deal with them. That is one of the main reasons (not the only reason) I am voting for Mitt, I am hoping that he will get our troops back home and give the world the big finger and start fixing our country. He is a business man and that's what we need right now in our country, not a fucking lawyer that knows how to get around questions without answering them, let alone siding with the fucking muslims or bowing to everyone he meets, fucking Obama. -:USA:

[eaglethebeagle]

obama has a shit storm brewing like no other for a president facing reelection even worse than Carter.

First

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A new report in the Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/content/obama-campaigns-robocall-about-early-voting-called-misleading?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter) suggests that Obama campaign staffers are impersonating election officials. The broader allegation is that Obama staffers are misleading voters.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/sites/all/files/imagecache/teaser-large/images/teasers/florida.jpg
"Pasco County Supervisor of Elections Brian Corley is warning voters about potentially misleading early voting information after his office received hundreds of inquiries from voters Tuesday wanting to cast early ballots.Early voting in Florida doesn't begin until Oct. 27 and lasts through Nov. 3. Corley traced one of the complaints to a robocall from Organizing for America, an arm of the Democratic Party," reports the Tampa Bay Times.
The report states: "This issue arose a day after Corley took a complaint from a voter about an OFA volunteer who initially said he worked for the elections office. The man told the voter there was a problem with her voter registration status, though officials confirmed her registration is fine."
Obama campaign officials tell the paper "the call refers to a program where voters can request an absentee ballot at the elections office and fill it out on the spot," the paper paraphrases.


Of course second is his Libya debacle still being investigated as he lied to America about it being terrorism.

Third



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7P7ePjfLM0



4th his debate efforts


5th opsec ratcheting up their efforts


6th his supporters exiting his party because of him.


I got more but this is just the beginning.

[eaglethebeagle]

Great shits of babylon what the fuck is this???/



https://contribute.barackobama.com/donation/honoring-alex-okrent/07/ofa.html

[mrfrosty]

Ill put the link in red to make sure you see it!

http://www.epc-its.biz/images/AlarmLight.gif
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/businessman-who-gop-cut-ties-with-at-center-of-voter-fraud-probe-in-florida/2012/10/01/28e27050-0bd1-11e2-bb5e-492c0d30bff6_story.html
http://www.epc-its.biz/images/AlarmLight.gif

[mrfrosty]

...that's what we need right now in our country, not a fucking lawyer that knows how to get around questions without answering them...

Romney has a JD from Harvard Law
he passed the Michigan Bar Exam in '75

[eaglethebeagle]

so your story says the GOP cut ties with the asshole while my post says current obama campaigners are committing voter fraud. Excellent response I see why your an obama supporter with such logic and rational thinking.

[coltsfan2007]

I know Mr.Frosty, but Mitt is a business man and this country needs that experience to put it back together. I've seen to many people loosing their houses and winding up on the street because of job losses. It makes me sick.

[coltsfan2007]

Was Obama rattled by developing donor scandal story?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a99_1349401568




President Obama reelection campaign, rattled by his Wednesday night debate performance, could be in for even worse news. According to knowlegable sources, a national magazine and a national web site are preparing a blockbuster donor scandal story.

Sources told Secrets that the Obama campaign has been trying to block the story. But a key source said it plans to publish the story Friday or, more likely, Monday.

According to the sources, a taxpayer watchdog group conducted a nine-month investigation into presidential and congressional fundraising and has uncovered thousands of cases of credit card solicitations and donations to Obama and Capitol Hill, allegedly from unsecure accounts, and many from overseas. That might be a violation of federal election laws.

The Obama campaign has received hundreds of millions in small dollar donations, many via credit card donations through their website. On Thursday, the campaign announced a record September donor haul of $150 million.

At the end of the 2008 presidential campaign, the Obama-Biden effort was hit with a similar scandal. At the time, the Washington Post reported that the Obama campaign let donors use "largely untraceable prepaid credit cards that could potentially be used to evade limits on how much an individual is legally allowed to give or to mask a contributor's identity."

[mrfrosty]

Colt the guy who put that liveleak vid up also has 7 pages worth of other political propaganda.
the RNC hired a guy at the head of a voter fraud investigation!!

all politicians are jackasses, your vote doesn't matter unless your in a swing state and even then the Electoral college can fuck you.

http://www.politifact.com/
look at all the lies on both sides.

[MadeInRu]

You know Coltsfan, i'm so tired of that bullshit no matter the place. We just had election in the Netherlands. An early election because last coalition, fell apart... And less or more, same people came to power...

Only good thing from politics i ever heard is this:

A real life story, what politics are good for.

Friend of my friend has a father in law (I know how it sounds, but it's a true story :) ). That father in law had a stroke (heart failure? not sure how it's called in English exactly). After that he couldn't talk anymore. It went like that for 2 years. I'm not a specialist, but i know it happens.
Well, they all were watching political talks in Russia on tv, you know, where all those politicians from the same party praising each other and all that sort of bullshit...
Well, at the very end of that program he stood up and said with cold blooded voice: Fuckers, whole bunch of fuckers.

Dude couldn't talk for years, but emotions healed him :)

He can speak now, not perfectly, but better then nothing.

That's the only good thing i've ever heard about politics :)

[coltsfan2007]

Mr. Frosty don't get me wrong, I am not naive, I know all politicians lie for their cause and most are crooks and selfish, but I also know that Obama is right it is time for change and that time will come in Nov. Obama had his chance, he has screwed this country enough. If Mitt does not show a difference in four years then it will be time for change, again. That is the great thing about this country we get an opportunity to make a difference every four years and hopefully Mitt will be a better president than Barrack. Maybe not, but I know without a doubt Obama has to go on many reason's.

[mrfrosty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPgfzknYd20&hd=1

I don't know Obama has risen the DOW roughly 55% since he took office!
is there any wonder why George Bush wasn't at the RNC?
2 wars, the housing bubble collapsed and shit load of other problems where handed to Obama on his first day.
then you add in the crazy ass Tea baggers fucking up the republican party.

why is everyone surprised that the economy isn't magically fixed in only 3.7 years
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/BushObamaJobsChart.jpg

[mickk]

Well Downunder, we are not immune to your Presidential campaign. Combined by local politics, I have had a gut full of it all. I turn off now. I know it will just be more of the same.

From where I sit, the US wanted change, it got all touchy feely and elected a black President so they could say we did it. They did it and they didnt like it so a blind robbers dog could get elected.

Obama has not impressed me like he did first time around. He has failed, couldnt say a lot really. Romney, well he impressed me even less. Had no substance, no oomph, no get up and go. However he is an odds on cert in my book. The debates and campaign seem to have been designed by the same graduate class. Just so sterile and boring, no risk strategy.

Israel wants Romney elected, they dont back the losing side very often.

I believe that the USA is too large, the economy too big to do any real reform in 4 years. Perhaps it should be 6? I think you should also look at two consecutive term rule. You need a CHAMPION. If you find one one day, you should be able to keep him as long as you want IMHO.

I read your debt is $13 trillion, thats just insane, I dont think it could ever be repaid. The US doesnt have anything the rest of the world cant buy from China. It is not exporting much, export days are over.

The USA has to look inwards. Stop giving billions in foreign aid to crack pot governments and not so crack pot ones in Military aid. Spend that money on some amazing national infrastructure, find a way to get 20 million people jobs. I can find jobs for 30,000 troops on the Mexican border tomorrow. I can also find work tomorrow for 100,000 Immigration Agents, to root out and kick out the 20 million illegal immigrants you have.

Kick out the illegals and there is your economic stimulus plain and simple. Its a no brainer.

[coltsfan2007]

Mickk, you said a lot that I agree with: Get rid of the illegals, man what a frustrating subject, Arizona fought to make it legal that when a police officer pulls an immigrant over they can ask them for their green card. More less profile, which I think is a right step in the right direction, but Arizona is the only state that can profile. No one that obeys the laws of this country should be scared of profiling.

Bring the money back home, such an easy solution, but for some reason the bastards in politics do not see it that way. By the way I did not vote for Obama. Obama talks a good talk, but he does not walk the walk.

I agree that this country will not get straightened out in a mere four years, but get us going in the right direction so we can get over the hump and I feel Obama is not going to do that with another term. We have these so called fail safes on presidential terms so no one man can obtain a dictatorship in this country. FDR was the only president that served more than eight years; he served twelve years and forty-two days. After FDR the gov't passed a law stating that a president can only serve two terms.

If Mitt gets elected and gets this country heading in the right direction, he will definitely be serving two terms, if not we will keep looking for the right person. It is a well know fact that most presidents will fight very hard their first term because they want that second term, but Obama has fucked up in so many different ways. Don't ask me to say why I think that way, I would be on here for hours ranting and raving. Before I get on a kick and get off the subject, I just wanted to say you did make some good points there mickk.

[Rick32]

I know Mr.Frosty, but Mitt is a business man and this country needs that experience to put it back together. I've seen to many people loosing their houses and winding up on the street because of job losses. It makes me sick.

This type of naïveté reminds me of someone who likes the general idea of "business", but has never experienced running one. Running a business is about creating the least amount of jobs you possibly can while maximizing profits for yourself. I have run one for close to three decades. It is cutthroat. Running a private equity business such as Mr. Romney has has literally nothing in common with running a country. The difference between micro and macro economics is something you may want to look up.

[eaglethebeagle]

This type of naïveté reminds me of someone who likes the general idea of "business", but has never experienced running one. Running a business is about creating the least amount of jobs you possibly can while maximizing profits for yourself. I have run one for close to three decades. It is cutthroat. Running a private equity business such as Mr. Romney has has literally nothing in common with running a country. The difference between micro and macro economics is something you may want to look up.


What the fuck do you know about operating a business may I ask? Truthfully I want to hear it from you genius. Your quote"creating business is about creating the least amount of possible jobs" REALLY??? I call bullshit. It is actually about wanting to create as many jobs as possible. The more people you employ directly relates to the size of your business does it not? You can remain at 10 employees for 20 years and I guarantee you will always be a small business. If you grow your business to 1000 employees you have succeeded in your business and growing it to a large business. So get the fuck out with your fake as shit. You dont know about business you just talk a lot of shit.

[gazzthompson]

And what is your experiences in running a business eagle?

One can have a big company, But still maintain the least amount of employees as possible maximising profits. That makes perfect sense, Any unnecessary people will cost.

Also, Who gives a fuck about business experience... is it not Congress and the House that pass budgets?

[Sixx]

I'll be glad when this shit is over.


No matter who wins......we still lose.
Believe that.


If you want 'real' change....you will need an armed uprising. The Gun is mightier than the dollar.

[MadeInRu]

Eagle, i think you're missing the point. What he means is creating least possible amount of jobs that you can operate your company with while you're growing. If your company only has 10 employes it wont become a multi-billion corporation if you'll hire additional 50.000 people all over the world.
The goal is simple: To operate a company that needs 1000 people with 800 by using additional technology and other means.

[eaglethebeagle]

And what is your experiences in running a business eagle?

One can have a big company, But still maintain the least amount of employees as possible maximising profits. That makes perfect sense, Any unnecessary people will cost.

Also, Who gives a fuck about business experience... is it not Congress and the House that pass budgets?


I have been self employed for 15 years. I have been owner operator of my own company for almost that same amount of time. I have had employees and I have been a lone operator. So I have plenty of experience in working a real business in America. Thanks again for your non contribution to another thread. The president, Congress and House have done so well in operating our government so far that we are about to see our financial cliff realized. We need someone that understands budgets and big business budgets.

You both are confused again. If a business creates jobs then they are adding to the employment of America. Big or small they both employ Americans. If a small business wants to expand then it will add employees as it does. So your not making sense about the subject we are discussing. Will a business that needs 250 employees cut 50 employees just to cut employees? No they wouldn't be able to operate. So go study some business strategies and get back to me.

[eaglethebeagle]

http://us.mg4.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f1%5f31719707%5fAI%2bniGIA AYAZUHXbqwYtBn5H7o0&pid=2.2&fid=Inbox&inline=1&appid=YahooMailNeo
THE WASHINGTON POST HITS OBAMA

Finally, the Washington Post and Newsweek speak out about Obama. This is timely
and tough. As many of you know, the Washington Post and Newsweek have a reputation
for being extremely liberal. The fact that their editors saw fit to print
the following article about Obama and the one that appears in the latest Newsweek, makes this a truly amazing event, and a news story in and of itself. At last, the truth about our
President and his agenda are starting to trickle through the
“protective wall” built around him by the liberal media.

___________________________

I Too Have Become Disillusioned.

By Matt Patterson (columnist - Washington Post, New York Post, San
Francisco Examiner)

Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack
Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, the result of a
baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the
Middle Ages. How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of
professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could
manage the world's largest economy, direct the world's most powerful
military, execute the world's most consequential job?

Imagine a future historian examining Obama's pre-presidential life:
ushered into and through the Ivy League, despite unremarkable grades
and test scores along the way; a cushy non-job as a "community
organizer;" a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative
achievement (and in fact nearly devoid of his attention, so often did
he vote "present"); and finally an unaccomplished single term in the
United States Senate, the entirety of which was devoted to his
presidential ambitions.

He left no academic legacy in academia, authored no signature
legislation as a legislator. And then there is the matter of his
troubling associations: the white-hating, America-loathing preacher
who for decades served as Obama's "spiritual mentor"; a real-life,
actual terrorist who served as Obama's colleague and political
sponsor. It is easy to imagine a future historian looking at it all
and asking: how on Earth was such a man elected president?

Not content to wait for history, the incomparable Norman Podhoretz
addressed the question recently in the Wall Street Journal: To be
sure, no white candidate who had close associations with an outspoken
hater of America like Jeremiah Wright and an unrepentant terrorist
like Bill Ayers, would have lasted a single day. But because Mr. Obama
was black, and therefore entitled in the eyes of liberal Dom to have
hung out with protesters against various American injustices, even if
they were a bit extreme, he was given a pass. Let that sink in: Obama
was given a pass - held to a lower standard - because of the color of
his skin.

Podhoretz continues: And in any case, what did such ancient history
matter when he was also so articulate and elegant and (as he himself
had said) "non-threatening," all of which gave him a fighting chance
to become the first black president and thereby to lay the curse of
racism to rest?

Podhoretz puts his finger, I think, on the animating pulse of the
Obama phenomenon - affirmative action. Not in the legal sense, of
course. But certainly in the motivating sentiment behind all
affirmative action laws and regulations, which are designed primarily
to make white people, and especially white liberals, feel good about
themselves.

Unfortunately, minorities often suffer so that whites can pat
themselves on the back. Liberals routinely admit minorities to schools
for which they are not qualified, yet take no responsibility for the
inevitable poor performance and high drop-out rates which follow.
Liberals don't care if these minority students fail; liberals aren't
around to witness the emotional devastation and deflated self-esteem
resulting from the racist policy that is affirmative action. Yes,
racist. Holding someone to a separate standard merely because of the
color of his skin - that's affirmative action in a nutshell, and if
that isn't racism, then nothing is.

And that is what America did to Obama. True, Obama himself was never
troubled by his lack of achievements, but why would he be? As many
have noted, Obama was told he was good enough for Columbia despite
undistinguished grades at Occidental; he was told he was good enough
for the US Senate despite a mediocre record in Illinois ; he was told
he was good enough to be president despite no record at all in the
Senate. All his life, every step of the way, Obama was told he was
good enough for the next step, in spite of ample evidence to the
contrary.

What could this breed if not the sort of empty narcissism on display
every time Obama speaks? In 2008, many who agreed that he lacked
executive qualifications nonetheless raved about Obama's oratory
skills, intellect, and cool character. Those people - conservatives
included - ought now to be deeply embarrassed.

The man thinks and speaks in the hoariest of clichés, and that's when
he has his Teleprompters in front of him; when the prompter is absent
he can barely think or speak at all. Not one original idea has ever
issued from his mouth - it's all warmed-over Marxism of the kind that
has failed over and over again for 100 years.

And what about his character? Obama is constantly blaming anything and
everything else for his troubles. Bush did it; it was bad luck; I
inherited this mess. Remember, he wanted the job, campaigned for the
task. It is embarrassing to see a president so willing to advertise
his own powerlessness, so comfortable with his own incompetence. But
really, what were we to expect? The man has never been responsible for
anything, so how do we expect him to act responsibly?

In short: our president is a small-minded man, with neither the
temperament nor the intellect to handle his job. When you understand
that, and only when you understand that, will the current erosion of
liberty and prosperity make sense. It could not have gone otherwise
with such a man in the Oval Office.






The facts are there in black and white. The liberal left is jumping off the obama bandwagon. They are over his empty suit presidency.

[MadeInRu]

I'll get back right now. There are things as outsourcing tasks to 3rd party companies, using software solutions so less people can do more, increase personnel in crunch times by using outsourcing agencies and using robotic machines if you're in a production business...

Not to mention that different businesses and business models that require different amount of personnel.

Microsoft made 15 billion dollars profit with more then 100.000 employes, Apple made 25 billion with roughly 60.000 employes.

[HooterBro]

DENNIS MILLER: "Obama better hope that a "kicked ass" is covered under ObamaCare!!"

[coltsfan2007]

HooterBro..............LMAO good one :freakout:

[HooterBro]

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THE WASHINGTON POST HITS OBAMA



The facts are there in black and white. The liberal left is jumping off the obama bandwagon. They are over his empty suit presidency. [/FONT][/COLOR]


I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but this is NOT an article published by the Washington Post. There is no one named Matt Patterson working for that organization. While I personally feel that the large majority of this article is true, and I agree with Mr. Patterson, I have to take issue with this as it is presented.

Mr. Patterson wrote this article for the "Americanthinker.com", a right aligning website. Here is the Link. (http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/obama_the_affirmative_action_president.html)

We, as Conservatives, or, dis-enlightened Obama supporters, do not have to make things up with which to discredit the worst President in American history. Obama is more than capable, and willing, to crucify himself.

I have never supported this man I deem a traitor to the American way of life. But I will not just make up, or post unverified information about, this piece of muslim excrement.

Not saying you did so intentionally. PLEASE do not think I am implying that. But please, for the love of the Conservative Party, research your stories before you post.

-Tom

[BrendenF11]

>> I know all politicians lie for their cause and most are crooks and selfish<<

You have this part wrong, being in the political field as a republican or a democrat is no longer a public service, as a matter of fact it goes against everything the words "public service" stands for. The truth of the matter is that every politician works for their paychecks to bring in the money for their district, to ensure they are relected so that they can further the corporations that "work" in their district (which actually means there is some employment there however most is outsourced) benefits and establishment in United States politics. The truth of the matter is that they are all crooks, every fucking last one of them. Until there is some sort of reasonable, not extreme, political reform, the likes of Obama and Romney will be seen for ages. Money should never influence ideals, and it never should take presidence over the constitution and the original view of this nations.

PS. Do not give me that fucking BS of how each party represents the original principles of how this country was founded, they represent extremist views currently adopted by each party to get their asses elected and ensure their extravagent life styles, for their "public service." When the truth is neither gives a flying fuck about the United States, and the United States citizens, only their pocket books, and how well they can live out the rest of their lives. Look at FDR, greatest president in United States history, how would his speaches and ideals fly today? They wouldn't because everyone thinks that every penny they earn is theirs, there is no more room for sacrifice in this country anymore only how quickly can I slaughter my neighbor so I can reap all of the benefits.

[eaglethebeagle]

Hey hooterbro, thanks for the reply here it is received and noted. I did some research myself to check out the validity and found it is actually not complete bullshit but somewhere in the middle as most truths and untruths are. I will admit that I rushed to copy and paste this artice just as another example of the liberal defections that if you are following the news are happening unlike I have seen in any other election for either side.

There is truth that Matt Paterson has writen for the Post as I will attach the artice here....."The mysterious Matt Patterson might be the Matt Patterson (http://washingtonexaminer.com/people/matt-patterson) who contributes to the Examiner newspaper here in D.C. and who works for the conservative Capital Research Center (http://capitalresearch.org/author/matt-patterson/). -------->His work has appeared in The Post, but not this work."<-----

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/omblog/post/reader-meter-the-hermanator-and-the-posts-matt-patterson/2011/11/04/gIQANIYsnM_blog.html

So there has been articles written by Matt for the post just this one is being denied. Liberals are very sensitive to other liberals jumping ship.


I know you mean well so I take your reply with good intention. I certainly have not posted anything disingenuous and I would recommend you be careful if you are allowing liberal sites to influence your information. Snopes for one has been outed for liberal bias. politifact.com is a liberal bias site. There are others but so please be careful.

[HooterBro]

Hey hooterbro, thanks for the reply here it is received and noted. I did some research myself to check out the validity and found it is actually not complete bullshit but somewhere in the middle as most truths and untruths are. I will admit that I rushed to copy and paste this artice just as another example of the liberal defections that if you are following the news are happening unlike I have seen in any other election for either side.

There is truth that Matt Paterson has writen for the Post as I will attach the artice here....."The mysterious Matt Patterson might be the Matt Patterson (http://washingtonexaminer.com/people/matt-patterson) who contributes to the Examiner newspaper here in D.C. and who works for the conservative Capital Research Center (http://capitalresearch.org/author/matt-patterson/). -------->His work has appeared in The Post, but not this work."<-----

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/omblog/post/reader-meter-the-hermanator-and-the-posts-matt-patterson/2011/11/04/gIQANIYsnM_blog.html

So there has been articles written by Matt for the post just this one is being denied. Liberals are very sensitive to other liberals jumping ship.


I know you mean well so I take your reply with good intention. I certainly have not posted anything disingenuous and I would recommend you be careful if you are allowing liberal sites to influence your information. Snopes for one has been outed for liberal bias. politifact.com is a liberal bias site. There are others but so please be careful.

Brother, I agree with you completely. I don't use Snopes or politifact. And I am also surprised by how ugly the Democrats are getting with each other when it comes to Obama. Usually, you don't see Liberals eating their own on such an open stage. They like to keep that stuff to themselves. It is entertaining to see though. Back in 2008, I was predicting that Obama would be the worst POTUS in history. Funny how my Liberal friends are SO quiet about him now. Only the truly Liberal fanatics are saying he's a good President and anyone, IMHO, who thinks Obama has done this country good during his tenure is a mindless zombie.

I meant absolutely no ill will towards you with my post. I thank you for posting it because I had not yet read it. After doing some research on it, because I was going to post it elsewhere, I found that it wasn't in the Post. Thank you for not getting pissed with me, but seeing my post for what it really was. :thumbsup:

[jamieooh]

Don't forget below average Joe Biden will be off the ventilator and debating tonight

[coltsfan2007]

LOL............jamieooh, can't wait to see this one.

[HooterBro]

don't forget below average joe biden will be off the ventilator and debating tonight


hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!