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SgtJim
04-08-2011, 06:33 AM
i hope i can help some great members here with these informations like this one, and with these ones too:
http://www.apacheclips.com/boards/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=12781
http://www.apacheclips.com/boards/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=12786
these aren't my opinions or something else,
i just try to help you with sharing the informations
Thanks for your service,
it independently, that i'm not an American citizen

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Deputy Secretary of Defense William J. Lynn III Message to DOD Workforce on Potential Government Shutdown
IMMEDIATE RELEASE
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Department of Defense (DoD) Operations During a Shutdown

“Operations and activities that are essential to safety, protection of human life, and protection of our national security, are ‘excepted’ from shutting down. The DoD will continue to conduct activities in support of ournational security, including operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Japan; Libya-related support operations; and other operations and activities essential to the security of our nation. The department must also continue to provide for the safety of human life and protection of property.

“Other excepted activities will include inpatient and essential outpatient care in DoD medical treatment facilities; emergency dental care; non-appropriated funds activities such as mess halls and child care activities; certain legal activities to support ongoing litigation and legal assistance for deployed DoD personnel; contracting and logistics operations that are in support of excepted activities; certain education and training activities to include the DoD education activity schools; and financial management activities necessary to ensure the control and accountability of funds.

“In the absence of appropriations, non-excepted activities that have not already been fully funded will need to be shut down in an orderly fashion.






In accordance with existing laws and regulations, I will issue more detailed guidance to the department regarding specific activities that are considered excepted or non-excepted. However, the secretary and I understand that the military departments and defense agencies and individual commanders must tailor this guidance to many different situations around the world. Therefore, should there be a government shutdown, DoD personnel will be informed through their chain of command about how a shutdown may affect them personally.

Duty Status

“Military personnel are not subject to furlough and will report for duty as normal during the shutdown. Reserve component personnel should refer to the DoD Contingency Guidance document and to their chain of command for more specific information.

“Civilian personnel deemed to be performing excepted activities will continue to work during the period of a shutdown.

“If there is a government shutdown beginning on Saturday, April 9, all DoD personnel should still report to work on their next scheduled duty day, beginning at their normal duty hours to receive additional instructions.

“Civilians will be briefed by their supervisors by Friday, April 8, as to whether their work and responsibilities fall into excepted or non-excepted status, as defined by applicable laws and regulations. Excepted status categories are outlined in the DoD Contingency Guidance document, which is being distributed through the chain of command. If their work and responsibilities are non-excepted, or if they are not needed to carry out excepted work and responsibilities, employees will be furloughed in a non-pay status. Furloughed employees may not telework or volunteer to work.

“Generally, contractors performing work on contracts funded prior to a shutdown, whether supporting excepted activities or not, may continue working and will be paid out of the obligated funds, subject to further direction from the contracting officer. New contracts, or increases in funding of existing contracts, needed to support excepted activities may be entered into during the period of a shutdown, but payments under such contracts cannot be made until Congress provides additional funding. Contract personnel should also report to work on Monday, April 11, to be briefed on their status.

Military, Civilian, and Retiree Pay

“If the government shuts down due to the absence of funding, the DoD will have no funds to pay military members or civilian employees for the days during which the government is shut down. However, both military and civilian personnel will receive pay for the period worked prior to the shutdown. Military personnel, and civilians occupying excepted status positions and required to work, are entitled to be paid for work performed during the shutdown, and will be paid retroactively once the department receives additional funding. Congress would have to provide authority in order for the department to retroactively pay non-excepted employees for the furloughed period.

“Military retirees and annuitants are not paid from annually appropriated funds, and therefore their benefits should continue without interruption.

Additional Resources

“The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) has created a document to address some of the questions that I know must be on your mind. The document can be accessed at http://www.opm.gov/furlough2011 . OPM will provide additional pertinent information for federal employees as the week progresses.

“The department’s leadership will do our very best to provide clear information about the status of events as the week progresses. Additional information regarding military and DoD civilian pay, leave, and other DoD policies applicable to a potential shutdown will be posted on the department’s main website as soon as it becomes available.

“Thanks to the hard work and dedication of all of you, the Department of Defense provides critical services to the American public. Your contributions touch people’s lives in so many significant ways, and I want you to know how deeply I appreciate your dedication and your expertise. Our decisions concerning which functions are excepted or not excepted are based on government-wide legal, regulatory, and policy guidance as well as our best judgment on how to reconcile our national security requirements with the limitations imposed by a government shutdown. The fact that certain functions are not excepted or that certain personnel may be subject to furlough should not be taken as a statement that the secretary or I or the department do not value those functions or employees. Thank you for your continued service to the department and the nation.”

(c) DoD

Sixx
04-08-2011, 10:33 AM
Well obviously military operations will continue. That is a no-brainer.......that's stupid and he should have not even addressed that.
We all know a shutdown does not mean military personnel get a "town pass" until this shit is resolved.



The issue is pay. Unless I am missing something here.
We don't fucking work on credit.

These politicians do not care.
That is total bullshit.

There are E-1's and E-2's that can barely pay their bills as it is.

Do you know what happens to service members that bounce checks or miss payments on things?
They get punished by the UCMJ.

Sixx
04-08-2011, 12:46 PM
There are 2 things that you don't mess with in the Military:

1. Pay
2. Chow


And I'm dead serious on that.
I have seen people flip the fuck out....


Robert Gates says this will be "an inconvenience" for the troops.... Really?? Inconvenience is not having any toilet paper in the latrine...or the lack of a hot shower.
Fuck that turd.

How about Gates? How will he be "inconvenienced" by this? His bank account will still be padded.....while the troops are sucking sand with no money.


It's time to replace every politician in our Nation....they have failed us.

Toki
04-08-2011, 01:33 PM
Like I said, Gates is moronic asshat. I can't wait until he leaves at the end of the year.

eaglethebeagle
04-09-2011, 12:47 AM
REALLY LOL my captcha word was LIVER ...LOL please ive slowed down on the drinking in my middle age now....


ok very well said to you guys and listen to me here.....obama is dumb like a communist fox ok as much as many of us dont like him he can put 2 and 2 together. This is what I am trying to say....he wants you if your a service member to become bitter and angry about serving especially those stuck in the hell hole Astan and iraq away from family. So while our brave men and women risk their lives they now have to be concerned about back home if bills are going to be paid. He wants that stress and anger to cause problems within our military as he of course hates our military men and women. He wants there to be some kind of incident that happens from this. It then fuels his arguement that bringing troops home is the right think to do. That this drawn out war or occupation has gone on too long and its time to close it down. Look I might be wrong but its my feeling he would make that argument.



There needs to be some kind of understanding from both private business and military and government that if our troops are not paid then the bills they owe on wont get paid and so those bills just need to wait until the pay begins. I know it sounds maybe unreal to say that but if you can prove your military and the business you owe knows what the fuck is going on with no money then do the right thing by our troops. Shit living paycheck to paycheck they need to be able to eat and feed their kids forget worry about electric, cell phone, that shit needs to go on hold now.


I dont know it when I was younger this type of shit was happening and I wasnt following politics as closely but how angry I am with our government right now its a fucking bad joke looking at our president all the way down to local governments.

I could go on but fuck it im out.