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10-10-2010, 12:47 PM
Wulff and Erdogan
The Islamic friends
President Wulff and Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan are their personalities and their political content regards, downright symbols of dealing with Islam by many Turks and many Germans. Both struggling for Muslims.
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Wulff and Erdogan at the football game Germany against Turkey
10. October 2010
A few days after President Christian Wulff many eagerly awaited his, pursued and now already abundant shredded speech to the twentieth anniversary of the reunification had held by most with far less tension, the Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has come to Berlin. A football match, so no big thing, but at least. First German against the Turkish national team played on Friday. Secondly it went to the qualification for the European Championship (in Turkey despite the geographically small European part of their territory) of course participate. Thirdly, the football in German and Turkish society plays an important role. For some, it is more important than his faith or his religion only.
But football is the lower problem in collaboration of the Turks and Germans. There, because however religion or faith is important. Against this background, it was an interesting time to Erdogan came Germany. Shortly before Sunday's previous President Wulff finally told the phrases: "The Christianity among known Germany." Judaism is known-Germany. This is our Christian-Jewish history. "But Islam is now also Germany."
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If already the SPD in the person of Germany's Bezirksbürgermeister, Berlin Neuköllner Heinz Buschkowsky, the view is that corresponds to the German history, and the critical voices in the CDU more in the CSU, growing, Erdogan must understand bowing Wulffs before Islam but always as a late response to his Erdogan, words of February 2008. At that time he was also in Germany guest and delivered a speech in Cologne gained publicity. Erdogan was directed to the living in Germany Turks, so the largest Muslim group in the country. Them he shouted to then assimilation is a "crime against humanity".
Erdogan's combative relationship with Islam
Harder a reproach can weigh hardly. For "Crimes against humanity", Germany has led even a war in the Balkans in the nineties of the last century. Now some things sure that Erdogan wanted to not ask his countrymen with these words to finish each effort to integration into society which nurture it speaks. He recruited even, they should learn the German language. Probably his harsh words as a call to his audience were intended not to forget that they are likely to have Turkish roots, and so lose interests of Turkey Germany sight. That was especially directed to Germany so controversial full membership of Turkey in the European Union. But on the other hand there is no doubt that words such as "Crimes against humanity" should encourage all those living in Germany Turks who do not like integration and customization anyway to stay with their reticence.
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De Maizière: Islam has not same value as Christianity (http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Fs%2FRub594835B672714A 1DB1A121534F010EE1%2FDoc~ED343E1B237754D5A98128282 387D7DAD~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html)
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Christian Wulff: President of all people (http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Fs%2FRub7FC5BF30C45B40 2F96E964EF8CE790E1%2FDoc~E035FFF739BF14AEA88B118C1 0797F728~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html)
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Christian Wulff has not explicitly made the importance of Islam for Germany and his company on a par with that of Christianity. But his comments were misleading as so often in his short time as President, at least. Since his speech to the 3. October was thoroughly prepared, one may assume that he made deliberately no significant variation between Christianity and Islam.
Erdogan and Wulff are their personalities and their political content regards, downright symbols of dealing with Islam by many Turks and many Germans. Erdogan born 1954 as the son of poor immigrants from Rize on the Black Sea in Istanbul grew in a poor area of the booming metropolis. He is a devout fighter and had a combative relationship with Islam in his youth. At 18, he joined the Islamic right-wing National Salvation party (MSP). After the military coup of 1980, it was banned their Islamic fundamentalism is contrary to the secular nature of the Turkish Constitution with the argument.
Wulffs aim: the colourfulness of Germany
But that was only the first Valley Erdogan's political career rich in treble and bass. His political involvement always distinguished an at least very self-confident, often aggressive commitment for the enforcement of Islamic values in Turkey in their secularism. 1994 Became mayor of Istanbul, he announced the introduction of own beaches for women and gender delimited school buses. Always he attaches great importance his wife in public with scarf occurs. When he quoted some verses of the Turkish poet Ziya Gökalp ("the minarets are our bayonets, the mosques are our barracks") in a speech, that brought him even for a few months in prison. For this reason, mäßigte his tone and distanced by the notion of "political Islam". Religion is a personal matter, he said henceforth. Measured that in Turkey, the secularism has sometimes militant trains already because the military about him will to consider in Germany Erdogan's commitment to Islam in his own country. Erdogan has been growing in popularity, more it and its ACP moderate Islamic groups were selected and he fought to to the top. He is the strong man of Turkey as Prime Minister.
Christian Wulff, born in 1959, joined a similar age as Erdogan also a religiously influenced party, the Christian Democratic Union. At 19 he was already President of the Student Union, so one of the highest for this age group official positions. There is however no evidence that the "C" in the name of the party, which he grew even close to him has the importance of Islam for Erdogan has. Christian Wulff struggled through a not exactly easy childhood and brought on during his career as a professional politicians then patience, three times to take time until he became Prime Minister of Lower Saxony, Germany. Several times he beteuerte in interviews he wanted more, he dare not to the Office of the Chancellor. The President of Germany, he spake only publicly when he surprisingly it was.
Until recently crystallizes for a wider public, which he has chosen to its theme. This happened in the final stages of his time as Prime Minister. As first German Prime Minister, he appointed a Muslim as Minister in his Government. It was hailed as a great coup. The next step was the inaugural speech as President, in which he explained the colourfulness of Germany to its destination. Finally now, 3. October, again a bowing before the Muslims, the less integration strand Teil confirmation can find is not too much effort to, because you already finally arrive. Wulff, the Christian fights for Islam. It's like Erdogan.
The Islamic friends
President Wulff and Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan are their personalities and their political content regards, downright symbols of dealing with Islam by many Turks and many Germans. Both struggling for Muslims.
http://www.faz.net/m/%7BA41FC4A0-5EE7-45B7-912B-C33D067042A3%7Dg225_4.jpg (http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Fs%2FRub594835B672714A 1DB1A121534F010EE1%2FDoc~E6F866518E7B641499EA77AC0 E5468FB3~ATpl~Ecommon~SMed.html)
Wulff and Erdogan at the football game Germany against Turkey
10. October 2010
A few days after President Christian Wulff many eagerly awaited his, pursued and now already abundant shredded speech to the twentieth anniversary of the reunification had held by most with far less tension, the Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has come to Berlin. A football match, so no big thing, but at least. First German against the Turkish national team played on Friday. Secondly it went to the qualification for the European Championship (in Turkey despite the geographically small European part of their territory) of course participate. Thirdly, the football in German and Turkish society plays an important role. For some, it is more important than his faith or his religion only.
But football is the lower problem in collaboration of the Turks and Germans. There, because however religion or faith is important. Against this background, it was an interesting time to Erdogan came Germany. Shortly before Sunday's previous President Wulff finally told the phrases: "The Christianity among known Germany." Judaism is known-Germany. This is our Christian-Jewish history. "But Islam is now also Germany."
http://www.faz.net/f30/Images/diverse/Anzeige38x9.gif
If already the SPD in the person of Germany's Bezirksbürgermeister, Berlin Neuköllner Heinz Buschkowsky, the view is that corresponds to the German history, and the critical voices in the CDU more in the CSU, growing, Erdogan must understand bowing Wulffs before Islam but always as a late response to his Erdogan, words of February 2008. At that time he was also in Germany guest and delivered a speech in Cologne gained publicity. Erdogan was directed to the living in Germany Turks, so the largest Muslim group in the country. Them he shouted to then assimilation is a "crime against humanity".
Erdogan's combative relationship with Islam
Harder a reproach can weigh hardly. For "Crimes against humanity", Germany has led even a war in the Balkans in the nineties of the last century. Now some things sure that Erdogan wanted to not ask his countrymen with these words to finish each effort to integration into society which nurture it speaks. He recruited even, they should learn the German language. Probably his harsh words as a call to his audience were intended not to forget that they are likely to have Turkish roots, and so lose interests of Turkey Germany sight. That was especially directed to Germany so controversial full membership of Turkey in the European Union. But on the other hand there is no doubt that words such as "Crimes against humanity" should encourage all those living in Germany Turks who do not like integration and customization anyway to stay with their reticence.
Scroll
On the subject
Seehofer: No immigration from foreign cultures (http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Fs%2FRub594835B672714A 1DB1A121534F010EE1%2FDoc~E2B5162CD54A14AC09D0B8C53 2C2A9E5D~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html)
De Maizière: Islam has not same value as Christianity (http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Fs%2FRub594835B672714A 1DB1A121534F010EE1%2FDoc~ED343E1B237754D5A98128282 387D7DAD~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html)
Minister of State Boehmer thanks Wulff (http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Fs%2FRub594835B672714A 1DB1A121534F010EE1%2FDoc~E7C9EE38C18874079B461F784 0A7A1E58~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html)
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German Turkish Forum of the CDU CSU criticized (http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Fs%2FRub594835B672714A 1DB1A121534F010EE1%2FDoc~E2EEB68ACAD3F4855B11544EB 6D94796E~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html)
Christian Wulff has not explicitly made the importance of Islam for Germany and his company on a par with that of Christianity. But his comments were misleading as so often in his short time as President, at least. Since his speech to the 3. October was thoroughly prepared, one may assume that he made deliberately no significant variation between Christianity and Islam.
Erdogan and Wulff are their personalities and their political content regards, downright symbols of dealing with Islam by many Turks and many Germans. Erdogan born 1954 as the son of poor immigrants from Rize on the Black Sea in Istanbul grew in a poor area of the booming metropolis. He is a devout fighter and had a combative relationship with Islam in his youth. At 18, he joined the Islamic right-wing National Salvation party (MSP). After the military coup of 1980, it was banned their Islamic fundamentalism is contrary to the secular nature of the Turkish Constitution with the argument.
Wulffs aim: the colourfulness of Germany
But that was only the first Valley Erdogan's political career rich in treble and bass. His political involvement always distinguished an at least very self-confident, often aggressive commitment for the enforcement of Islamic values in Turkey in their secularism. 1994 Became mayor of Istanbul, he announced the introduction of own beaches for women and gender delimited school buses. Always he attaches great importance his wife in public with scarf occurs. When he quoted some verses of the Turkish poet Ziya Gökalp ("the minarets are our bayonets, the mosques are our barracks") in a speech, that brought him even for a few months in prison. For this reason, mäßigte his tone and distanced by the notion of "political Islam". Religion is a personal matter, he said henceforth. Measured that in Turkey, the secularism has sometimes militant trains already because the military about him will to consider in Germany Erdogan's commitment to Islam in his own country. Erdogan has been growing in popularity, more it and its ACP moderate Islamic groups were selected and he fought to to the top. He is the strong man of Turkey as Prime Minister.
Christian Wulff, born in 1959, joined a similar age as Erdogan also a religiously influenced party, the Christian Democratic Union. At 19 he was already President of the Student Union, so one of the highest for this age group official positions. There is however no evidence that the "C" in the name of the party, which he grew even close to him has the importance of Islam for Erdogan has. Christian Wulff struggled through a not exactly easy childhood and brought on during his career as a professional politicians then patience, three times to take time until he became Prime Minister of Lower Saxony, Germany. Several times he beteuerte in interviews he wanted more, he dare not to the Office of the Chancellor. The President of Germany, he spake only publicly when he surprisingly it was.
Until recently crystallizes for a wider public, which he has chosen to its theme. This happened in the final stages of his time as Prime Minister. As first German Prime Minister, he appointed a Muslim as Minister in his Government. It was hailed as a great coup. The next step was the inaugural speech as President, in which he explained the colourfulness of Germany to its destination. Finally now, 3. October, again a bowing before the Muslims, the less integration strand Teil confirmation can find is not too much effort to, because you already finally arrive. Wulff, the Christian fights for Islam. It's like Erdogan.